Posted by brownsvillevol on May 13, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oh well there goes our national championship.

Posted by Colliervol on May 13, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No big shocker there. Sounded like his PT was going to be limited again this year as well.

Posted by Vol13 on May 13, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's see. This guy could play some as a true freshman for FSU. Yet, he can't beat out Austin Rogers, Josh Briscoe, or Lucas Taylor to start here or anyone else for that matter to play a significant back-up role. Go figure.

Posted by BOASoldier on May 13, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hmmmm

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on May 13, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

who?

Posted by 99gator on May 13, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vol13

have you seen fsu's receivers. all they can do is go for jump balls.

Posted by andy112382 on May 13, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If they can't handle the competition, then it is best for all involved to transfer. They did say, after all, they wanted to go 5 deep at WR and we have a pretty solid group of guys at that position. Taylor, Jones, Paige, Hancock, Moore, Briscoe and so on.....

Posted by BOASoldier on May 13, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

man alive. we could have used someone to take it to the house against Wyoming. Has this kid ever heard of sticking to your commitments? Then again if you can't play at a given level it is better to go where you can

Posted by BADGES0413 on May 13, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seems like the day of the good JUCO player is gone, no more Anthony Miller's or Dale Carter's.

Posted by DenmarkVol on May 13, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Trooper's infamous Spotted Ape leaves us, myth intact.

Posted by chas_turner on May 13, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Didn't participate in a single Spring practice or scrimmage. For whatever reason, didn't expend the effort, on the field or in the classroom. Nobody gives you anything, you have to earn it. JMO

Posted by invisiblekid on May 13, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Where was he, about 8th on the depth chart? Can't say I blame him and wish him the best of luck. Hopefully, the legend of the spotted ape will continue to flourish. The only shock to me was that he actually played in 12 games last season.

Posted by Laydbakvol on May 13, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Was KO'N really the Spotted Ape?

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on May 13, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who is going to "tear up" 7 on 7 drills and run all those reverses that everyone in the stadium knows is coming? That was part of our "trick" play arsenal. Big loss IMO.

Posted by pdhuff on May 13, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If we hadn't had plays, Kenny would have All-SEC.

Several times we heard of "trouble grasping the offense". Probably like me my 1st day in plain geometry or was it plane?

Posted by bigbluevol on May 13, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Reverse!

Posted by Brama on May 13, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Send him to USC, can't help someone who does not help themselves!

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on May 13, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm on today TDTN.

Posted by auttat on May 13, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BADGES, Gibril Wilson, Jesse Mahelona? Like all recruits, some work out, some don't.

Posted by brownsvillevol on May 13, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

no way tdtn o'neal was our only chance of a title.

Posted by 99gator on May 13, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

is that THE touchdown tennessee.

did the KNS put you on a work release program or something?

Posted by rckymtngator on May 13, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Its sad when a kid that struggled academically at FSU, could not make it at UT. To make a "B" at UT all you have to do is count the number of fingers and toes you have. To make an "A", you have to remember the last time UT won a SEC Championship in anything other than ladies basketball. Actually remembering that fact will get you a PHD.

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on May 13, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rckmtngator, we won the SEC in basketball this year, so unless you are insinuating that he can't count to 1 since it's been less than a year than your choice of analogy/potshot was pretty bad.

Posted by writer on May 13, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

UT is a good school academically, but it isn't one of the top 10 or 20 in academics. If he couldn't make minimum passing grades on the Hill, he's probably going to have trouble making it at any four-year college. Maybe he should try for a trade school. Football is important to we fans, but getting an education for life is the most important thing about college for these kids. Good luck to him.

Posted by BADGES0413 on May 13, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rcky--

I bet he can dodge a bullet better than Matt Patchan.

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on May 13, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They are both good schools but let's be honest, there isn't a whole hell of a lot of difference between an unndergraduate degree from Florida, Tennessee or any other state funded SEC school.

Posted by auttat on May 13, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eVOLution must have been dropped on his head when he was a baby.

Posted by 99gator on May 13, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tdtn

i only wrote that because peoplekept writing "free tdtn".

i assumed you were in KNS jail.

Posted by BADGES0413 on May 13, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If O'Neal couldn't learn Cutcliffe's 2 plays, he has no hope of success at another D-1 school.

Posted by invisiblekid on May 13, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, word of O'Neal's transfer has traveled faster than a spotted ape.

Posted by ILOVEKOOLAID on May 13, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I find it comical that every SEC school likes to make fun of the others "because their students are so dumb." Workin's right; there's not a huge difference between most of the SEC public schools (let's face it, Vandy simply doesn't belong).

I've got my BSBA from UT and my MBA from UF. And the only difference I noticed was that every girl at UF wore jorts (jean shorts) and had flabby arms. Other than that, the schools are pretty similar.

Posted by hoskinsfive on May 13, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you can't make passing grades on the hill, then you have other problems than football.

Posted by thesavageorange on May 13, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eVOLution , Word is he didn't even know where to line up.

Rogers 4.41
Briscoe 4.4
Taylor 4.61 , and lead the league in receiving yds.You can say it was the (TJ's) "chuck and duck", but if the DB doesn't respect your speed then that's not open either.They will just jam you at the line.I can run my car a hundred miles an hour, but that doesn't mean I can do it in a traffic jam.JMHO.

Posted by auttat on May 13, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

HAHA! eVOLution, you say it like it's a bad thing.

My favorite play of Kenny O'Neal's "illustrious" career was the forward handoff he fumbled. No idea that was considered a forward pass, so I learned something new. For that, I am appreciative. My only question, was it by design, or was his intelligence clearly proven?

Posted by brownsvillevol on May 13, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i love it in german ashley.

Posted by auttat on May 13, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ILOVEKOOLAID, are you a member of ClayNation?

Posted by Colliervol on May 13, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eVOLution, you may remember a certain Leonard Scott who could run like a 3.6 in the 40. (I exaggerate but you know what I mean. He was dang fast.) He just couldn't grab his rear with either hand. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you can't catch, learn the plays or block.

Posted by thesavageorange on May 13, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well there goes Clawson's opening play TD at UCLA.I heard he was planning on running the spotted ape reverse pass where O'Neal pulls up and tosses one deep to Jones.Guarantee he would be open.Anytime O'Neal was on the field 11 guys were running to the opposite side of the field to stop the reverse.

Posted by GhostofNeyland on May 13, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh well, looks like Fulmer will have to use his new method to recruit another star player.

http://3rdsaturdayinblogtober.wordpre...

Posted by BADGES0413 on May 13, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Leonoard Scott, fastest man in America. I think he ran a kickoff back 100 yards his freshman year against Georgia and Averaged 10 yards a return after that. Could not catch Ugly from Aunt Esther. Google hands of stone and Leonard's picture appears.

Posted by ILOVEKOOLAID on May 13, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Auttat, EVGID. (Ex Vol Gettin' It Done)

Posted by auttat on May 13, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That guy is hilarious and he rep's UT very well.

If you haven't heard of him, Clay Travis, he writes for CBSSportsline.com

Posted by invisiblekid on May 13, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Biggest question now is who runs the Eric Locke/Leonard Scott package?

Posted by volboy81 on May 13, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eVOLution, you should be head coach since you seem to know it all!

Posted by GoVol on May 13, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TDTN - you must off your meds since TouchDown is now active again. Touchdown TN when off meds, and General Fritter with your meds. Welcome back. For what it's worth, I prefer Touchdown over GF anyway.

Go Vols!

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on May 13, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He's coming out with a book on UT football. Apparently he is going to be following the team and others associated with UT football from week to week leading up to the game. For instance one week he'll be with Dave Clawson and then another week he'll be with that little geek Kenny Chesney. No lie.

Posted by agentorange on May 13, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ugly from aunt esther? nice sanford and son reference.

Posted by IPOrange on May 13, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh no! Not the spotted ape!

Posted by Ironcity on May 13, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He needs to go somewhere he can play and graduate from. Believe me this kid was encouraged to leave.

Posted by bamacheats on May 13, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He and Ramar are opening up an herb store together.

Posted by DadwasaVol on May 13, 2008 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Now need to recruit defensive tackles and spotted apes, both.

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on May 13, 2008 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How many 5 star busts have we had since 2002?

2002

Banks - 1 decent year at WR then BUST

Mondre Dickerson - I don't even remember this dude, BUST???

Brandon Jeffries - BUST

JT Mapu - 1 good year - hate to say it, BUST

Gerald Riggs - 1 and a half good years - Semi-Bust, injuries hurt him his Sr year, took too long to get it together

2003

Meachem - 1 good year

2004

Mahelona - JUCO, 1 good year, pretty solid though

Toenia - JUCO, better than people will give him credit for, 2 decent years

2005

Morley - who? Still has time to rewrite history, however needs to have a good year this year and next to live up to his 5 star billing IMO. He's really done nothing up to this point. BUST (so far).

2006

Fisher - injuries have plagued him, gives us snaps at DT (BUST due to injuries)

2007

Berry - has already lived up to 5 star billing and will continue to do so

Donald - still has time

Martin - still has time

Oneal - Bust

Vinson - started last year, should be able to live up to potential

Posted by Colliervol on May 13, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Travis' book about his journey around the SEC to every stadium in one season is hilarious. Pretty well nails every fan base to the wall:

Alabama- Every guy there has "Bama bangs" for a haircut and they all look alike.

Georgia- Second best looking coeds but all sorts of nerd guys in red pants.

Ole Miss- Best looking coeds and the Grove is a happening but very little else.

LSU- Drunks everywhere. And that's just talking about the women.

Miss. State- Ugliest girls in the SEC

Florida- The "new money" of the SEC. Still not sure how to act after finding success. Surprisingly, the girls were only rated 6th.

I could go on but you get the drift. If you haven't read it, get it.

Posted by utwick on May 13, 2008 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If the kid can't cut it, then you have to cut him loose. If he made it this far, he shouldn't need to be spoon-fed (academics). Free up a scholarship for someone else.

Posted by threehundredbowler on May 13, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eVOLution.Speed is only part of the game.Ability to learn plays ,run correct routes and actually being able to do something when you have the ball has a lot to do with playing time.Most of these guys only take classes that most eighth graders could pass.If they are not smart enough to pass then they should not be offered a scholarship to start with.Education is not a priority to these guys nor the university.Winning games at any cost by the University and trying to get to the NFL by the players is the name of the game.

Posted by 99gator on May 13, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

workin

it happens everywhere.....

tebow and harvin have worked out at florida.

jury is still out on several defensive lineman.

but, how about fayson (illinois transfer) and mastercard himself, hornsby

Posted by Michael1204 on May 13, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Collier, what are Bama Bangs? lol.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on May 13, 2008 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let me be the 1st one on here to commend the coaches for forcing the kid to take his classes seriously. If you can't be a student and an athlete you shouldn't be allowed to just be an athlete. Hopefully Kenny will get it figured out somewhere.

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on May 13, 2008 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bama bangs...see John Parker Wilson as an example or anyone from "Two A Days" Hoover High School on MTV.

Posted by FishTacos on May 13, 2008 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This guy was not good for the program and he obviously wasn't good enough to get on the field. This is a blessing that this "cancer" has moved on to another school. He really screwed up and the only schools that will probably take a chance on him are smaller lower division schools. He wasn't gonna make it on the field much next year either.

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on May 13, 2008 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They were both 4 on Rivals which is what I was going on. How many of this group from 2002 to 2007 would say were busts or that Florida only got 1 good year out of? I'd say not near as many as Tennessee:

Ciatrick Faison
Caldwell
Joe Cohen
Chad Jackson
Jarvis Moss
Dee Webb
Derrick Harvey
Brandon Spikes
Carl Johnson
Tim Tebow
Percy Harvin

Can't tell on these guys yet:

Torrey Davis
Carlos Dunlap
Cameron Newton
James Wilson

Posted by IPOrange on May 13, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bama bangs = bowl cut.

Posted by Colliervol on May 13, 2008 at 6:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Michael, workin' hit it exactly with Sarah Jessica Parker Wilson as an example. Their recent grads have the "Bama Bangs". Their sidewalk alumni have the mullets. Easy to tell them apart.

Workin', on your note above about the "5 stars", that's one reason I don't pay attention to the "star" system. Too many variables. Like whether they'll go to class or not.

Posted by VolPride_13 on May 13, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is sad for him cuz he will be known forever (If ever) as a kid that couldn't find a home!!

Posted by thesavageorange on May 13, 2008 at 6:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Even the bama women have mullets.I know I have posted this before, but for those who didn't get to see it check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD1Gxr...

Posted by tngeoff on May 13, 2008 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thesavageorange.

Good one Bro'! I never saw it before!

This one's for the gator faithful.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vqmy5qrvaV...

Oh yeah.

Bye Kenny. Good luck.

Posted by IPOrange on May 13, 2008 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

savage - I think ole' Collette was all likkered up instead of all jacked up. Good video!

Posted by pjhaddix on May 13, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Man, it's weird when you've got a gator on here taking up for our team against our own fans. Must be an election year.

Posted by thesavageorange on May 13, 2008 at 7:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff , Good to see ya.Hope life in the fast lane is still treating you well.If you see any big and ugly DT's out there,work em.

Here is another one I posted awhile back.This is a compilation of Alabama fans after a home game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZmDWl...

Posted by IPOrange on May 13, 2008 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I believe that video was shot immediately following the U.L. Monroe game, Savage.

Posted by General_Watermelon on May 13, 2008 at 8 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer is just making room for some other great recruits. He will hold the Sears Trophy at the end of the season.

Fritter Logic Rules!

Posted by General_Watermelon on May 13, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good luck spotted ape.

Posted by General_Watermelon on May 13, 2008 at 8:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FOOTBALL RECRUITING RANKINGS
Rk. School Commits Conf. Points
1 Alabama 32 SEC 4963
2 Notre Dame 23 I-A Ind 4603
3 Miami (Fl) 33 ACC 4579
4 Ohio State 20 Big Ten 4271
5 Georgia 23 SEC 4120
6 Michigan 25 Big Ten 4007
7 LSU 26 SEC 3915
8 Florida State 30 ACC 3833
9 USC 19 Pac-10 3813
10 UCLA 23 Pac-10 3811

35 Tennessee 18 SEC 2320 -LOOKING GOOD COACH FULMER

Posted by UTVol39 on May 13, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Touchdown Tennessee: didn't you say you saw LargeO out on a date with a spotted ape, or was it just Kingsports goat?

Posted by Bigger_Al on May 13, 2008 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's four schools in four years for Mr. O'Neal.

Maybe he should go play for Nick Saban...

Posted by Oenoboy on May 13, 2008 at 8:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

“Then there is the legion of the miserable, they will always be miserable” - Johnny Majors ‘92

Posted by LadyVolsEighTimes on May 13, 2008 at 8:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I question CPF decisions at times, but the man has given us some decent afternoons of Football, some Bowl victories, and a BCS Championship.

This is the SEC, and the SEC has what, four BCS Champions outta ten possible?

Posted by miamiVOL on May 13, 2008 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Likeheck , first off, rofl..........
2nd: MORLEY WHO? the guy who took a pick 6 from the #1 OVERALL DRAFT PICK J.RUSSELL TO DA HOUSE SON. Yes he is a raw athlete but pairing with tEB, he will be able to dominate

Posted by miamiVOL on May 13, 2008 at 8:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General_Fritter :

thoughts on the back to back top 2 national ranked class of N.D. and the wins it has brought them, in particular please hi-lite some of the postive atributes of #1 overall 2007 recruit, Jimmy Clausen.

rofl, boom in ya face.

Posted by abnermc on May 13, 2008 at 8:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rkymtngaytor, maybe o'neal can get by on the credit card of a dead person. hmmmmmmmm?

Posted by tngeoff on May 13, 2008 at 9:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is an amazing parallel about Florida dreaming of whoopazz next year against the Vols...but suddenly...the orange glow appears and the true master shows the nasty gator what is real and what isn't. Just like will happen next year. I can't wait to watch the gators faithful try to be obnoxious after they get their booties kicked from end of the staium to the other..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PWVhiIisH30

Eat this gators:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AYSeKm1IrZE

Posted by pdhuff on May 13, 2008 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff, haven't stirred up any DT prospects, have you?

Posted by LadyVolsEighTimes on May 13, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is great to be a Tennessee Vol!

Posted by tngeoff on May 13, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff.

This guy I was hoping would come to Tennessee, but I think he chose Ohio State instead.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s7lT4OwEicA

Posted by andy112382 on May 13, 2008 at 10:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ah, yes.....must be getting closer and closer to football seasons, the trash talking is, slowly but surely, picking up and the village idiots are already bashing the football team.......

Can't wait to take care of UCLA, nothing would debut a new offensive coaching staff like rackin' up some points on MNF against the bruins!

GO VOLS!!!

Posted by 99gator on May 13, 2008 at 10:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

workin....i'm going by scout instead of rivals, but here it goes....

2002

ciatrick fason (yes)
gavin dickey (contributed more to baseball than football)

2003

andre caldwell (school's all time leading receiver)
chris leak (school's all time leading passer)
chad jackson (yes)
earl everett (yes)
eric holcombe (who)

2004

derrick harvey (yes)

2005

reggie nelson (yes)
avery atkins (dead)

2006

percy harvin (yes)
tim tebow (yes)
brandon spikes (yes)
jarrod fayson (transfer)
jamar hornsby (credit card punk)
carl johnson (will play before he leaves florida)

2007

aaron hernandez (will play)
lorenzo edwards (will play)
deonte thompson (will play)
james wilson (will play, but may not in 2008)
torrey davis (will play)
major wright (starts)
justin trattou (will play)
chris rainey (will play)
john brown (will play)
carlos dunlap (will start)

my apologies workin. florida has had a lot more hits than misses with the high profile recruits. 2007 was not a bad year for recruiting.

Posted by 99gator on May 13, 2008 at 10:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oops forgot 2008

will hill
matt patchan
omar hunter
carl moore

a lot of people suggest that all of these people will see the field in 2008. people think hill and hunter have a chance to see the most time.

Posted by GreerVol22 on May 13, 2008 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kenny, the only way I know to fix stupid is to jump in front of a bus. Just make sure its rolling towards you. Its the end with the "shiney glass eyes".

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on May 13, 2008 at 10:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Should have said I was going by rivals. Florida's 2007 class was an embarrassment of riches. It is more normal for hit and miss it just seems we've had a few more misses than hits the last several years for whatever reason.

Posted by KingsportVol on May 13, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This guy is faster than a six legged gerbil at an Elton John concert.Should have put him on the baseball team with his high IQ.Good luck Sling Blade.

Posted by BSweet on May 13, 2008 at 11:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ah how quickly they forget the "student" part of student athlete. I'm sure there is more than one player on the team that needs to look at this and adjust their own attitude about making the grade. But somehow I doubt they will. <sigh>

Posted by newtonrail on May 14, 2008 at 12:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Working---- I ignore most of the infighting on this board, but I take great exception to listing Jesse Mahelona as even a partial bust. Considering that JUCO players take little adjustment, he was delight to watch for those actually at the games both years. He did what DT's are supposed to, and that's plug up the middle with some sacks.

Posted by sjt18 on May 14, 2008 at 3:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Other than knowing where to line up, knowing the playbook, knowing the automatics, knowing the sight adjustments, knowing how to run routes, being able to catch, and being able to hold on to the ball... O'Neal was the perfect receiver.

The guy was given every chance to succeed and just couldn't do it.

He'll probably land at a FCS school where he can make it academically and maybe turn his football career around.

Posted by gnm53108 on May 14, 2008 at 4:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I doubt he'll ever take academics seriously.We dont need to waste scholly's on people thet arent serious.now where's a 6'6",320 pound dt that the geneva convention would clarify as a crime against humanity.

Posted by gnm53108 on May 14, 2008 at 5:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oops,meant classify.

Posted by gnm53108 on May 14, 2008 at 5:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Where can I get some of that orange koolaid yaw keep talkin about.I think I am statring to get the shakes from football withdrawals.I guess its about time to start breaking out the old tapes.How many days?Ashley?

Posted by RichRollin on May 14, 2008 at 5:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey 99gator, half of your list that reads (will play) should read (will get shot) or (will steal cars) or something of that nature, don't ya think?

Posted by GreerVol22 on May 14, 2008 at 7:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Kingsport, do you think we can name the gerbil Jeff, shave a little 24 on his rump and call him the rainbow warrior?

Posted by 99gator on May 14, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

for fun.....

there is always a lot of talk about fulmer here. i found a website that shows all kinds of stats.

since 1992, only 4 schools have won more games than tenn. can anyone name them? so, tenn is 5th in the nation in wins since fulmer has been coach.

since 2000, tenn is 16th nationally in wins.....behind four other SEC schools.

Posted by 99gator on May 14, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

also, for everyone who believes that florida has only played football for fifteen years (yes, i know about the lack of championships).....

since 1960, florida is 12th nationally in winning percentage......ahead of notre dame.

Posted by KingsportVol on May 14, 2008 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Greer that sounds good.But I don't want to be the one that bends over to trap him.

Posted by auttat on May 14, 2008 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99, no clue on your original question. The majority of names that come to mind either were not very good in 90's, or are not very good now. I'll say Ohio State, FSU, Florida, Michigan. Bet I'm way off.

Posted by BADGES0413 on May 14, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tennessee is 2nd in wins since 1925. Of course I think the Nash was the top selling car that year. Where have you gone Bad News Cafego.

Posted by 99gator on May 14, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

badges

according to the website i found, tenn is #1 since 1925

Posted by 99gator on May 14, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

auttat

i know someone will look it up. i will post the answer at noon.

you got 3 of the 4.

Posted by HotlantaVol on May 14, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99 - I bet that FSU is out and USC is in from auttat's guesses.

Posted by auttat on May 14, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

USC was horrible in the 90's, though. So was Oklahoma, but they have to be close

Posted by pdhuff on May 14, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18 3:14 - Dead on.

Posted by BADGES0413 on May 14, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think you may be right 99, was Ohio State number 2 on the web site you looked at?

Posted by 99gator on May 14, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

badges

alabama was #2

i will post the link later.

got to run for now.

Posted by GreerVol22 on May 14, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

yep, on second thought, better leave the gerbil wrangling to PETA.

Posted by GoVol on May 14, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator - take out the HS teams FL plays each year to pat its schedule and re-calculate FL winning %. FL seems to play at least one, and sometimes 2 HS equivalent teams each year. IMO strength of schedule has to play a factor, not simply the bottom line winning %.

Posted by auttat on May 14, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GoVol, Florida kind of made UT look like a HS team this year. Careful where you tread

Posted by HotlantaVol on May 14, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

auttat - my bad I thought we were looking for the top four teams since 2000. Having reread the question, USC is definitely not in the running.

Posted by auttat on May 14, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

NP Hotlanta

Trivia might actually get us through the doldrums, though.

Posted by 99gator on May 14, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

govol

everyone plays a team or two that are cupcakes.

i do not understand all of this schedule garbage. we play in the same conference in the same division. the schedules are pretty much identical.

for tenn

2008
wyoming and uab
2007
ark state and la-lafayette

etc, etc, etc.

for years....either florida state or miami was on florida's schedule and a national title contender.

Posted by 99gator on May 14, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

since 1992....

1. ohio state 157 (highest winning %)
1. florida state 157
1. florida 157 (lowest winning % of the 3)
4. nebraska 155
5. tenn 152
6. michigan 147 (higher winning %)
6. texas 147
8. miami, fl 146
9. virginia tech 145
10. georgia 139

usc is 11th with 138 for those who are curious

Posted by BADGES0413 on May 14, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99 Gator-- UT has played all the teams above except TX during that time frame. Off the top of my head I think our record is 22 and 17. Of course if we weren't 5-11 vs Florida during that time it would look a lot better. What is the link to the web site that showed UT's record since 1925?

Posted by 99gator on May 14, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

badges

http://football.stassen.com/records/

incidently, florida has played everyone on that list in that time frame except texas and va tech.

Posted by 99gator on May 14, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

badges

florida is 33-17-1 against those teams on that list since 1992.

Posted by leedsvol2007 on May 14, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Peter Tom Willis a former star quarterback for Bobby Bowden and an analyst on the FSU radio network was fired for calling FSU's offense "High School".

O'Neal is obviously a gifted athlete but if he was not adjusting his patterns properly he could have caused as many bad plays as he made good ones.

Was it possible that O'Neal was able to play due to their simplicity?

Let wish him good luck and be thankful we have some great potential in Gerald Jones and Denarius Moore along with the returning veterans.

Some of the greatest receivers in the history of the game score a lot of TD's without blinding speed. Jerry Rice is one who comes to mind.

GoVols!

Posted by 99gator on May 14, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

badges

correction

florida is 33-24-1 against those teams since 1992.

Posted by thesavageorange on May 14, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I recall Cut saying one time "he was lined up so far outside he might as well have been standing in China".It's kinda hard to set up and throw a 30yd across the field screen ya know.He has been in CPF's doghouse since day 1.If not then they would have atleast tried him on kick off or punt returns.

Posted by 99gator on May 14, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

athlon has tenn ranked #17 in its preseason poll

Posted by auttat on May 14, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator, honest opinion from the outside looking in...should Fulmer be on the hotseat?

Posted by 99gator on May 14, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

auttat

yes. under the theory of nothing ventured, nothing gained. i think tenn's fall from grace since 2001 is more due to what georgia, lsu, and auburn are doing right as opposed to what fulmer is doing wrong.

i think if things remain unchanged, florida and georgia are building juggernauts that will leave tenn as a distant third in most years in the division.

i know people will mention last year. but, if you look at recruiting, florida and georgia both could be stronger in 2009 than 2008, which is saying something considered where they will be ranked preseason in 2008. florida and georgia are both positioning themselves to only have reloading years and not rebuilding years.

and before people start snickering....remember tenn beat florida 45-3 in 1990 and 31-14 in 1992. after spurrier's teams were his teams, beating florida became a much more difficult proposition.

florida has more talent from 1-85, than i have ever seen florida have. probably more talent since they were cheating in the mid 80's.

again, before people mention 2007, remember kids grow up. all those kids from the 10:21 post yesterday are still babies.

alabama will only get better, no matter if and when saban leaves. alabama does not stay mediocre for long and when saban leaves alabama, bama will be in better shape than when he got there....a la lsu.

as i have mentioned before, being the coach at tenn is a tougher job than georgia, florida, auburn, lsu, and alabama due to recruiting base.

tenn will continue to win with fulmer and have winning records. but, i don't think they will achieve greatness again unless fulmer is replaced. tenn needs an exceptional coach due to its recruiting base, not a good one.

however, things could get worse instead of better if they replace him. but, that's the chance you take. there are a lot of coaches who would love a shot at tenn, because while it is more difficult than some other SEC schools.....you can win championships at tenn.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on May 14, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99Gator-

JMO, but I think we'll do better than 17 this year. We aren't getting a lot of credit this off-season b/c we've got a new offensive coaching staff and a new starting QB, but that hasn't stopped the "experts" from pumping up other teams like Auburn who I think has made two big mistakes this off-season in going to the spread and letting Will Muschamp go. They've got a new QB and new coordinators on BOTH sides of the ball and they are pre-season #10 in some polls. LSU will have to deal with a new starting QB and a new defensive coordinator this year as well and no one is taking anything away from them in the pre-season polls. I personally would rather see UT flying under the radar in the pre-season. The last time we were all the hype in the pre-season we didn't even make a damn bowl game!

I've seen a few of the talking heads this off-season refer to Clawson's offense as a spread offense, but none of the UT sites like this one or volquest have called it a spread offense nor have the coaches. I've read articles where the coaches talk about using the fullback position more and running more two tight end sets. That doesn't sound like the spread to me. Where are they getting that from? Can anyone that actually saw the Orange & White Game help me out?

Posted by murrayvol on May 14, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

leedsvol: Good point on "blinding speed." Too much attention to 40 times & not on whether a guy has a burst or can change gears & direction w/o losing a step.

Emmitt Smith wasn't that fast (he was quick) either but he put up lots of yards & TDs with faster players in his wake.

Posted by bigbluevol on May 14, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IBleed, you're right that we are not going to the spread this year. A lot of people are saying that, I think, because that is what Clawson ran at Richmond last year. Watching them against App State in the national semifinals, they had an explosive athlete at QB (not as good as Armanti Edwards at App), but still a great athlete. I think that because of what he ran last at Richmond, people expect that's what he'll run now. However, he has said (paraphrasing here) that he tailors the offense to the personnel he has. We might see some spread looks, particularly in the G-Gun, but for the most part it will be a pro-style offense like he ran at Villanova with Brian Westbrook at RB and like he had run at Richmond also.

Posted by Vol13 on May 14, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Run our record from about 2000-now and see where we rank. Today's HS senior was 1-2 years old in 1992. Tradition to them means within the past 5 years. I didn't even pay that much attention to UT until I was in 8th or 9th grade. I liked them. But I couldn't sit still enough to watch a whole game prior to that.

UT is a perennial Top 15-20 team now. And that is debatable as well since I think 3 of the past 6 year's we have not been ranked at the end of the year. 99Gator has nailed our situation to a Big Orange T. Listen to what he is saying. Fulmer is going to get fired within the next two years and with poor recruiting 2 of 3 classes breeds losing. Losing breeds poor recruiting. Vicious cycle. The program is being set up to be in far worse shape than it was when Fulmer took over. We are about to go through some very Bill Battle-like times at UT. We may go through 3-4 coaches before the ship is righted and we are going to struggle for several years.

Posted by thesavageorange on May 14, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

murrayvol , Here is a couple more that come to mind:

Chris Carter
Andre Reed
Irving Fryar
Charlie Joiner
Steve Largent etc...

These are all Hall of Fame receivers who didn't have that vaunted world class speed.

I also like to use the Emmitt Smith, Jerome Bettis, Franco Harris, John Riggins examples when people say Arian Foster isn't fast enough.

Some people just know how to play the game!

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on May 14, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks BigBlue. That's what I thought, but with all the ESPN people throwing around their assumptions as facts it became a little confusing.

This should be a very exciting year in the SEC. There are a lot of sub-plots to follow with all the coaching changes and new starting QBs.

Posted by thesavageorange on May 14, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry not all are in the hall of fame, but Carter Reed and Fryar will be at some point.

Posted by auttat on May 14, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vol13, 99gator did, pay attention. We are 16th behind 4 SEC schools. It's not good however you look at it, but I've said it before and I'll say it again. How do you expect coaches to respect you or the school if you don't respect them? If you want to fire them as soon (and, in Fulmer's case, soon is not the appropriate word, he has had ample opportunity) as they start having a down turn, why should they respect the school and not take the next best offer? I.E. Saban, Petrino, etc.

Fulmer dedicated his life to UT Football and the University. I just wish, for once, the workin's of this site could thank him for that.

I, too, want pressure on Fulmer. It's time to become Tennessee again. I just hope Fulmer can do it.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on May 14, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vol13-

Thanks for your pessemistic view of the future of UT football. Letting go of all those new coaches in the next year or two would probably be a pretty costly move from a financial standpoint. I don't know the exact contract stipulations, but I would imagine that, collectively, they would be owed a large sum of money if they were all let go in the next couple of years. Do you have some inside knowledge when you say "Fulmer is going to get fired within the next two years" or are you just speculating? I know that we've had some dissapointing losses over the years, but I think we can still compete with anyone in the nation.

Posted by 99gator on May 14, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

auttat

i also did not mention....

i think it's also time due to the fact that (based on this site), the fan base is kind of fractured.

but, fulmer does deserve much respect for what he has accomplished. of the four schools ahead of tenn in wins since 1992, ohio state has had two coaches, florida three, and nebraska just hired its 4th.

only florida state has kept its coach, and it's obvious tenn is a better program right now than florida state.

Posted by Vol13 on May 14, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer's a very fine man, a Tennessean, etc. But his ship has sailed. If he would have turned over his staff about 2000-01 or so then we might not even be having this conversation. He had a good run. But his loyalty to poor assistants through the years/bad promotions, good ole boy network, and the inability to anticipate when change was needed will be his downfall. Consider that if Cutcliffe would not have gone to Duke, then we would still have the exact same staff heading into 2008. Trooper Taylor likely would have left regardless. But we probably would have hired a Fulmer/Cut guy like Thomas Woods or somebody to replace him.

I feel for the new coaches who are going to get caught in all of this. I'm telling you guys that it's going to get ugly in 2009 or so. Fulmer has 2 years tops to win the SEC. Tall order, IMO. Buyouts will be the least of our worries. There is plenty of money surrounding the program.

Posted by auttat on May 14, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vol13, we had consensus top 3 recruiting in '05 and '07. If you count from a production standpoint this year, not just incoming freshman, this class will produce plenty. (If Warren and Williams get in school) We seem to be off to a much better start this year than ever before on getting early committments. For the first time in a long time, I have a good feeling about the program. Or, maybe I just ate from the same snack bar as Fulmer.

The only real concern is adding meat upfront. We have enough to compete this year, though.

Posted by auttat on May 14, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So you wanted Fulmer to turn over his staff when they were one 1/2 away from the NC game?

Posted by brdteton on May 14, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Saban+Alabama+3years=Sanctions.

Hmmm, pending turnover in staff had nothing to do with recruiting last year,, right???

I am glad Cutcliff is gone and looking forward to what Clawson brings to the table... Moan all You want but this is going to be a wait and see year.

F n A Cotton, FnA....

Posted by GerryOP on May 14, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If we make it through September....

Posted by Vol13 on May 14, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

7 4* players (of 16 originally) from the 2005 class are either no longer with team or never made it. And one 3 * (Wardlow). Morley was the only 5* in that class. 12 of the 2005 signees are penciled in to start in 2008 (7 of the 12 were 4* recruits). Plus Morley, which brings the total to 8/12. So that negates the "star ratings don't matter argument" as it relates to this class. Dan Williams is the only legitimate 3* player from 2005 that has overachieved. Briscoe and Rogers have played well at times (especially Briscoe), but got starting roles more out of necessity and lack of depth. I won't be surprised at all to see Gerald Jones starting in one of their spots by the year's end. In summary, those that stayed/made it from 2005 have turned out well. But if you were to re-rank this class, it wouldn't be Top 3 consensus.

I won't go into the 2007 class, other than to tell you that 3 4/5 stars (of 16) are not on the team. Two more will be seniors in 2008.

Posted by bigbluevol on May 14, 2008 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's the case with about every school. I can't remember if it was ESPN.com or CNNSI.com that re-ranked recruiting classes based on the players' performance. They seldom, if ever, match up when potential is compared to performance. That's why many people argue about the stars. Some guys have what it takes. Some guys can't get it done. The reasons are many, but it's not all attributable to coaching.

Posted by Vol13 on May 14, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The ratio of 4/5* players that achieve a high level of success in college (i.e. 3+ year starter; all-conference; all-america; award winner; etc.) is overwhelmingly higher than 2/3 star players that do likewise. And sure there are exceptions. Any recruiting pundit that has studied this will agree.

Posted by TommyJack on May 14, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MurrayVol makes sense at 1:43. Haven't ever seen many backs that have not been run down from behind.

Posted by pdhuff on May 15, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And on we go, waving the orange and white shakers, spilling kool-aid on the orange shirt, singing "Rocky Top" and....

Next morning.. "Man, Did Fla really have 59 points"?...........35th in recruiting....68th in run defense....84th in pass defense....

We're already special, we don't have to wait for next year.

Get ready, UCLA, here we come......

Posted by TimmyGaytor on May 15, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A diploma from anywhere in the state of Tennessee would be like getting a certificate from the department of sanitation in Florida.

Touchdown Tennessee "My nephew has 3 degrees from Florida and can't get a job. When I graduated from UT, I couldn't make all the interviews there were so many." BS on that. Keep dreaming hillbilly!

Posted by BigO4Vols on May 15, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GOT AN 'INSIDE SOURCE' W/IN THE PROGRAM THAT SAID CUT'S 'SYSTEM' WAS VERY COMPLICATED AND THAT KENNY NEVER COULD UNDERSTAND IT OR LEARN IT! CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHO STEPS UP!!! GO VOLS!!!

Posted by hiresanders on May 16, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you stuggle with academics at places like FSU and Tennessee where going to class is optional, you might need to go back and repeat Elementary School again. What an idiot.

Posted by VolCane7979 on May 18, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ashley,

Do you have sunshine and rainbows painted in your room or something?

Posted by ThurmondEppy on May 18, 2008 at 9:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TimmyGator, my dad retired in Florida and says that he has seen more hard core rednecks in Florida in one year than 60 in TN. For example, there's a trailer park outside St. Augustine where people literally eat roadkill. Check yourself first before you pop off like that again.

Posted by pdhuff on May 19, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not real sure, but I believe Kenny O must have been the one I copied my test answers from in Algebra II.

Dang!