Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on June 23, 2008 at 9:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'M BAAAAACCCKKKK!!!!! Looks like a bunch of basketball articles. What a surprise.

Posted by eduardo on June 23, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The guy is a bonafide star waiting to happen. I predict Cameron Tatum will lead the team in scoring this year. He will also catapult the True Basketball Team into the elite 8 if not the final 4. Sorry kenlucky you guys will have to wait till all those elementary school kids you have offered scholarships to get potty trained. ha ha

Posted by marc_ash on June 23, 2008 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Should be even deeper than we were last season. Very exciting.

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on June 23, 2008 at 9:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You probably won't be hearing Pearl complaining about this team being "wet behind the ears" although he could.

Posted by volmattna on June 23, 2008 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TATUM IS GONA BE A STUD HE IS LONG ATHELETIC AND CAN TAKE IT TO THE HOLE AND CAN SHOOT WELL HE IS DEFINATLY THE REAL DEAL GO VOLS

Posted by junder13 on June 23, 2008 at 9:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

my goodness his performance thus far on both sides of the ball are incredible! i heard that he was good but this is just amazing (even if the league is just a step up from a pick up game). i cant wait to see him on tv this year!

btw, if he's this good, what's our starting 5 gonna be?:
1: maze
2: hopson
3: tatum / prince
4: t. smith
5: chism (by unfortunate default)

consider the subs. our 2nd rotation could beat half of DI!
1: west
2: tabb
3: (tatum/prince nonstarter) wooldridge
4: negedu / childress
5: jurick / williams

Posted by bobbarbilly on June 23, 2008 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't write-off Kentucky just yet. I believe that they have a state law that reads if a child can dribble and play d, he can skip high school and go straight to uk.

Posted by dyoung2020 on June 23, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why in the world would anyone list Jurick ahead of B Williams? Jurick is a huge project, and will most likely turn out like Matthew Dotson, Scott Moore, or Boomer Herndon. I can't imagine a situation in which he doesn't redshirt. We aren't going to have a 12 man rotation. I would have to believe that this would be our rotation.

PG Maze and West
Wings Hopson, Prince, Tatum, Tabb
Post Tyler, Chism, Childress, Williams.

Mop up minutes for Pearl

Redshirt for Woolridge and Jurick.

Posted by TooLegit2Quit on June 23, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tatum was lighting it up tonight, Maze finally put some impressive D on Tatum and stopped him. Hopson was disappointing....

Posted by Smallmike4pres on June 23, 2008 at 10:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He can dunk! Wow is he like the second person in Rocky Top history to do that? Bet the highlights will be all over WATE tonight! I heard he even did it one handed.

Posted by yemmusdarb on June 23, 2008 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Starting 5:

PG - B Maze
G - S Hopson
G - JP Prince
F - T Smith
F - W Chism

First-in subs:

PG - D West
G - J Tabb
G - C Tatum
F - E Negedu
C - B Williams

Mop-up minutes:

F - R Childress
F - S Pearl

Redshirt:

G - R Woolridge
F - P Jurick

Posted by cjraney on June 23, 2008 at 11:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

darb-
There's a good chance Tatum beats out either Prince or Hopson for a starting spot. He's physically stronger than both and if that translates to defense then the decision is easy.

Posted by VolPride_13 on June 23, 2008 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cameron has better defense than J.P. and has a better outside shot than J.P. soooo...I think Cameron might beat him out of a starting spot!!

Posted by ncvol on June 23, 2008 at 11:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am thankful that Cameron is playing for UT. Go Vols!

Posted by DenmarkVol on June 24, 2008 at 1:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What is up with you two people thinking Woolridge will redshirt in favor of giving Childress minutes? What is the rationale behijd that? Just because you haven't seen Renaldo play yet?

If Renaldo redshirts, I'll wear a Kentucky t-shirt to every home game.

Posted by UTVols1698 on June 24, 2008 at 2:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

smallmike4pres... talkin about dunking and saying he even did it with one hand? its easier to dunk 1 handed, you have to get up higher to dunk with 2 hands, nice try. And Renaldo Woolridge better not redshirt, he can play so he should, part of Tennessee's strength is how many guys can play quality minutes while pressing and wearing the other team down, at the end of games Tennessee is fresh while the opposing team is $uckin wind

Posted by DandyVol on June 24, 2008 at 6:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Does anyone know? -- In the Rocky Top League, are they using the new 3 pt distance or are they still using last season's distance? I don't see how JP can possibly be a starter this coming season. He has too many areas he has to improve in and still get through his shoulder rehab. Tatem looked good before his injury last season and is now showing his rehab went well and his game has gone a step up. I pick Tatem to be a starter. Go Vols.

Posted by richvol on June 24, 2008 at 7:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A couple of guys are going to have to redshirt or there is going to be a problem with getting everybody enough minutes. It's a great problem to have but it's definitely something Coach Pearl is going to have to solve or there could be some really talented players that are unhappy. It appears that Tabb and Tatum can play with anyone and have certainly waited their turn. If Prince improves from last season and Hopson is the real deal it's 40 minutes split 4 ways.Chism is very talented too but he needs to step up and play like it for every game. He should be taking on a leadership role this year...not pouting. How has he responded since walking out in the 2nd game?

Posted by Hoss44 on June 24, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pearl also laughed when Brent Watts selected Tatum in the 1st round, and said that he is not at 1st rounder.

Posted by b_neas on June 24, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tatum will beat out prince for the starting job. Prince is better off the bench anyway because he can sub for the 2, 3, or maybe even 4 position for quality minutes. Tatum defends as good as JP and is three times the scoring threat. Tatum is going to be a special player, i would say two years and he will be gone.

Posted by marc_ash on June 24, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A lot of folks have their opinions of the starting 5 and reserve rolls. A lot of things will play out between now and the beginning of the season. Some young players will continue to step it up, injuries will occur and unfortunate circumstances will occur that will effect the team. It's fun to hypothesize, but a long way from seeing what will be for sure this season...but at least we have the luxury to have more than just 1 or 2 options as was the case in recent years.

Posted by Hoss44 on June 24, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tatum's game is made for this league, and for Pearl's system. He can do it all on the offensive end, and can lock people down defensively. He's going to explode for a huge year!!!

Posted by TommyJack on June 24, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Do they make any attempt to play D in this league? Serious question.

Posted by b_neas on June 24, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not sure how it will work out, but i would love for the starting 5 to be:

PG - Maze - sub West
SG - Hopson - sub Prince/Tabb
SF - Tatum - sub Prince/Nege/Woolridge(may red shirt)
PF - Tyler - sub Nege/Woolridge/Chism
C - Chism - sub Williams/Jurick(may red shirt)

mop up time - Pearl and Childress (sorry Ryan if you could play like you did when your soph season was winding down you could get major PT but i did not see that player all last year)

Posted by VolGraduate on June 24, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Workin:
Do you even read the articles? Pearl already said they were wet behind the ears. "Pearl said the talent is there, but not necessarily the experience." You are a complete moron.

Posted by UT_LAW_2011 on June 24, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Big Child had injuries last year and unfortunately has had injuries this year as well.

To comment on an earlier post about why would Woolridge redshirt, it's because he's a freshman and upperclassmen who've proven it are given the benefit of the doubt.

JP Prince brings a lot of intangibles to the table, which is why I think he will start over Tatum. I do, however, think that Tatum will get major run this year. He and Negedu will be the first two off the bench.

I am skeptical of West getting a ton of minutes, but he will play. Tabb will be in a similar situation.

I don't know that Jurick will redshirt to start the season, because of the desire to get Tyler Smith some time at the 3 spot. That means putting in some combination of Williams/Negedu/Chism. With Childress hurt, Coach Pearl might want to put in a true big at the five spot and have Williams and Jurick split the time. That decision will probably be made early in the season which is why those first few games will be so important.

If I had to guess now:

1 - Maze
2 - Hopson
3 - Prince
4 - Tyler
5 - Chism

First off the bench: Tatum, Negedu

Redshirt: Woolridge, Childress

Stat Stuffer: Tyler Smith

Assists: Maze

Points: Hopson

Rebounds: Chism

PPG: 81.7

Posted by alfrizzle097 on June 24, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

b_neas pretty much has the lineup pegged. I don't see Jurick getting much time once the SEC season has started.

Note that there are 13 guys listed in his lineup. Add Childress to that and you have 14 guys capable of playing. Childress can hit the three and has really changed his body to play the 3 position. I wouldn't be suprised at all if Negedu, Woolridge, and Jurick all red shirt.That would give you an 11 man rotation. That doesn't mean they won't get some PT at the beginning of the year. Minutes will be earned. I like JP, and he has some real up side. He may not end up seeing the court unless he has improved his shot markedly.

If Tabb has gained a little offensive confidence, he could be one of those guys who gets you 10 points every night and keeps the other team from getting 15 to 20 that they would have gotten with someone else in. 30 point swing? Sounds good.

How many games/minutes can you play before redshirting?

Posted by UT_LAW_2011 on June 24, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just to clarify something, misspelled Childress nickname Big Chill and instead put Big Child because my brain could decide whether to put in the last name or the nickname and it compromised independently of my consciousness. I wasn't ripping him. He is genuinely injured.

Posted by pdhuff on June 24, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, 9:07, What is D?

Posted by mparker on June 24, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hopson may not start....he may have to earn that.

I'd think
-maze
-tatum
-T. Smith
-Wayne
-JP

First off the bencH
-Tabb, Hopson, Williams

Limited minutes:
-West, Negedu, Pearl

REdshirt:
-Woolridge, Jurick

Posted by b_neas on June 24, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When speaking of intangibles Prince brings are you referring to his ability to turn the ball over in key situations? lol, sorry last years tourney still haunts me

Posted by TommyJack on June 24, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

PD: You know..like with the Chief...

Posted by volguy41nlouisiana on June 24, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah i agree b_neas...I still wake up screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......with the thought of the turnovers from Prince...I know ...I know...unfamiliar at that position...but whewwww...still gives me the willies...I think that position is Cams to lose...bigger...stronger...handles the rock muchhh better and i bet makes fewer turnovers....unless JP or PJ...lol...has had a makeover...I think Cameron will be out there starting...IMO

Posted by UT_LAW_2011 on June 24, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

B_neas,

In his defense, the guy was asked to play point guard in the NCAA's for the first time all season against a Butler team that cleaned our clocks in the Garden the year before and had won 30 games this year. Just speaks to how stacked the East Bracket was, for which the committee should be faulted, because the West was not near as good.

That said, Prince actually played 38 good minutes at the point. Those last two, hey I'm with ya, but given the circumstances he was more good than bad there.

And there's no denying how good he was against Xavier and Memphis.

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on June 24, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

VolGraduate, the difference is that Pearl won't be using this as an excuse when we lose a game and then after the season use it as his "Perfect Storm" justification for a below average season. Also, Pearl can legitimately say that we are wet behind the ears. Foolmore says it every year. Geek.

Posted by ButchIsBack on June 24, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Get this straight, Prince is not in the same league as Tatum and Hopson. That simple. Prince is seriously limited. That being said, Maze is the most important guy over there. West is not ready and will not be ready this year. Unfortunatly the 8-10 back up PG minutes go to Prince. Woolridge redshirt? Who knows. Nobody has seen the kid play. Here is the prediction. Negadeu plays more than you think. He can give you 20 monster minutes at the 4 and 5. Finally, get of Chism. He will be a 1st round draft pick. UT would be hurting without him. Williams is looking good.

Posted by BADGES0413 on June 24, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Workin- If Pearl could keep his recruits in school and get more from the ones that have stayed he would not be wet behind the ears.

Childress - deadweight
Passley - gone (Wacky Tobakky)

Johnson - homesick
Crews - gone (Panama Red)
Ramar - gone (Columbian Gold)
Tabb - Mop Up Player
Chism - had good game against Vandy.

Tatum- could be great
Williams - played good for a Frehman

This years class- could be the best ever.

I like Coach Pearl/UT basketball and Coach Fulmer/ UT Football, just goes to show how tough recruiting and keeping players is for both sports.

Posted by volboy81 on June 24, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tatum was awesome last night. Cant wait to see the 08-09 version of the defending SEC Champs!

Posted by Volumnus on June 24, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tatum has something to prove, he is working hard, he deserves his shot. Having watched the dynamic duo of Maze and Hopson, I am not sure that they can stand the defensive heat and are unselfish enough to know when to pass the ball. I think West and Tatum may be on the floor more in the SEC. Pearl is a wizard, but he will need to be to manage these egos and get this group to be a team. I think Coach Pearl will earn his money this year, and maybe again next year if Maze and Hopson are "one and done."

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on June 24, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Defending SEC champs!!!! Sounds nice. Hey Foolmore.

Posted by murrayvol on June 24, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WorkinLH: Welcome back! Hope the surgery, or sabbatical, or rehab, or whatever went well. The natives have been restless in your absence.

Posted by TommyJack on June 24, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rehab. lol

Posted by murrayvol on June 24, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ @ 9:07: They don't need no stinkin' defense. Besides, defense is not fun. Scoring is fun. Ever watch the McDonald's AA game?

Posted by foreverorange on June 24, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All this discussion over the starting five is interesting, but when I think back at rooting for the vols 5 or 6 years ago, or basically rooting for Ron Slay.....fellas, this is an embarrassment of riches. GO VOLS

Posted by dathcha on June 24, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone else seen this, is this true? I hadn't heard or seen anything about this.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/ua/ar...
looks like memphis let another slip away.

Posted by BADGES0413 on June 24, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

National Championship Winning Coach Fulmer sounds even nicer Workin. Bruce will probably get there someday, I hope so.

Posted by KingsportVol on June 24, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dathcha really? This news is older than our last SEC foosball title.

Posted by BADGES0413 on June 24, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dathcha,

Older news than our last Basketball National Championship, Bruce will lead us to our first one. That will be amazing to have 3 NC coaches at one time.

Posted by TommyJack on June 24, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Murray: Sort of like a non playoff NBA game?

Posted by dathcha on June 24, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry for the old news - not all of us have time to cruse the local sports page or blog sites - you would think TN fans would stick together and flame not one another. oh well - beat memphis

Posted by TommyJack on June 24, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dathcha: Know how you feel. Hell, I'm about as current as a Landau Roof.

Posted by KingsportVol on June 24, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dathcha: Hey friend don't ever take me serious on here. I was only trying to get a rise out of a couple of my favorite posters. Had nothing to do with you. Sorry I came across like that.

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on June 24, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bruce has a national title already.

Posted by dathcha on June 24, 2008 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)

man you guys are gullible - i knew you where just toying with me and i just wanted to make you feel bad - YES MY EVIL PLAN WORKED!!!!!!! seriously GO VOLS - BEAT EVERYONE

Posted by BADGES0413 on June 24, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tommy, I am about as current as Martin Landau.

Dathcha, welcome to the posting world where basketball articles get peppered with football references. I am as guilty as everyone else.

Posted by b_neas on June 24, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

badges - childress and passley were not pearls recruits. Tabb is not a mop up player and the best def player on the team, and if you saw only one good game from Chism, how many games did you watch, 4?

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 24, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

www.bernieball.blogspot.com

Take a look Vol Fans

Posted by murrayvol on June 24, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ @ 1:58: I would offer instead as Exhibit A the NBA All Star game. They actually play a little defense during the regular season.

Posted by Beasty72 on June 24, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I read the blog that you posted but how many seasons did it take Calapari to get Memphis into the sweet sixteen.I think pearl has us well above Memphis pace and will probably be raising a banner before him too.The only one that counts is the one that wins the championship bc Memphis was just a higher rated loser then us last yr.

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 24, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Memphis as a program didn't need more than 100 years to make an elite eight....not to mention a final four and beyond hahaha

Posted by brownsvillevol on June 24, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

once again memten you are not our arch rival and we do not think of you as such. our goal at the beginning of last season was to win the sec out right first not to beat the university of memphis. memphis fans are the only one who refer that game to "your superbowl". i have never heard one tennessee fan say it. we are a top fifteen program wether you accept it or not, it is a fact because the rest of the country sees it that way. i think it's funny you can't get over the fact we have beat you 2 years in a row and fixin' to be three. i also think it's funny that pat forde has called out katz and lunardi as idiots he has to work with since he predicts the tigers not even winning c-usa and your own paper the CA printed it. you need to worry about wether all your recruits are going to qualify,a problem we don't have, and one more time memten out of both our recruiting classes we have the highest recruit hopson>evans and negedu chose to sit on the bench at tennessee rather than play at memphis. you had your chance last year and choked. our turn is coming and you know it or you wouldn't be here.

Posted by BADGES0413 on June 24, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

B-Neas,

Chidress was Pearl's first recruit and Passley was a Transfer that Pearl brought in. I know Chism had better games and I also know if Tabb could get a jumper he could start for any SEC team. I also really like Pearl and this recriting class.

My point was to an idividual that made a comment about our football coach on a basketball site which is what he lives for. I was just trying to point out that all coaches have trouble keeping recruits in this day and age. I try to post logical thoughts but sometimes my emotions get the best of me.

And besides all this crap as the Great Gil Soctt Herron said, "Whitey is Still on the Moon and there is not a lot I can do about it."

See, there I go with another irrational thought.

Posted by pdhuff on June 24, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, Landau Roof, sounds like the name of a Dook lacrosse player.

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 24, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hey brownsville...you live in brownsville,tn enough said hick...make an elite eight...Noone considers you a top 15 program unless you have made atleast ONE final four...oh wait...how about an elite eight!?!?!?!?

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 24, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And you'll never have a recruit like Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans will be a much better pro than Scotty Flopson who I have heard (from your fans) can't shoot the ball. Keep dreamin vol country

Posted by foreverorange on June 24, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah we'll keep dreamin, keep on dreamin of beating mempiss three years in a row, OH WAIT, thats actually going to happen.

Posted by BigOrangeVol on June 24, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh well, it was a nice break while it lasted.

I do find it humorous that none of us were listing Cam in our “Starting Five” three weeks ago.

Major Wingate - gone (Maui Waui)

I thought that Tony & Cordell Passley were caught using HGH (Home Grown Herb).

Posted by UT_LAW_2011 on June 24, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Last year and the year prior Memphis had a stronger lineup on paper, but we had the stronger lineup in reality.

This year we also have a stronger lineup on paper too.

Posted by TommyJack on June 24, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

memphistenn: Speaking of hick, what is a noone?

Posted by VOLS85 on June 24, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

memphistenn,

elite programs talk of national championships and hall of fame coaches...

If you went over to a Carolina (Dean Smith), Kansas (Phog Allen), Kentucky (Adolph Racist Rupp), or UCLA (John Wooden) board, people would laugh at you for making fun of Tennessee for not making it past the sweet sixteen, because you haven't brought home any hardware in your illustrious basketball history either. Most of them would wonder if Memphis played basketball outside of the last three years!

So before going and touting your fantastic history in basketball, I'd keep in mind that your tigers haven't won anything worthy of writing down in the history books...

Posted by b_neas on June 24, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Since when did bragging rights come from who gets the best players in the NBA? Seems to me the point of getting good players is to win in college. Yeah Memphhy you all win your fair share of games but still cant seem to beat the ole Pearl man more than half the time!

Posted by alfrizzle097 on June 24, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Saw an article on ESPN that indicated Rose might not be that good in the NBA. Something about PER. Not that the opinion of a journalist means anything. Just commenting. What are Rose's strengths anyway? I didn't watch much of Memphis last year, but I got the impression that he isn't that great of a shooter. He at least couldn't shoot UT out of the zone. I haven't heard about how he is a dynamic slasher or passer. The impression I have is that he is just a good ball handler with otherwise decent skills. I may be wrong. I understand that he is a good player. I just have to wonder if he has been overhyped because he is a part of this supposedly spectacular draft class.

Memphis fans:

In the words of great man, "If you aren't fist, you're last."

Posted by BigOrangeVol on June 24, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Martin Landau aka, Rollin Hand - gone (Drug-related nickname)

BTW, his greatest performance given was on the made-for-TV movie The Harlem Globetrotters on Gilligan's Island. Talk about reaching the pinnacle of one's craft, wow!

Posted by brownsvillevol on June 24, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

who you callin' hick punk.shows how ingnorant you really are.i've been all around this world.bet you haven't been out of memphis peon.my mother is full blooded german that means i'm half german if you can even understand that. that means my grandparents(in their upper 80's)uncle's aunt's and cousins,one whom happens to be a professional soccer player,live in germany. i bet i've been to europe more times in a decade(that's 10 years,idiot)than you will evr be in a lifetime."hick" no you got me confused with your momma.

Posted by b_neas on June 24, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone in the know would classify UT a top 15 program in the past 3 years (Pearl's tenure). I would dare to say that 75% to 80% would put them in the top 10 programs during the last 3 years. Of course memphis is in there too, but you are reaching with you non fact based arguements.

Posted by brownsvillevol on June 24, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vols85 good point. it's only memphis fans that beleive they belong with those other schools and i will certainly die from laughter if we win a national title before they do. did you see how upset he got when i mentioned pat forde trashing memphis and the CA printed it. he resorted to childish name calling.typical memphis fan.

Posted by BigOrangeVol on June 24, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As far as the ‘08-’09 roster is concerned…Negedu isn’t even on it yet.
Steve Pearl isn’t on the roster either. What’s up with that?

Childress is our only Senior.
Chism, Maze, Prince, Smith and Tabb are the Junior class.
Williams and Pearl are the only Sophomores.
Tatum is a Redshirt Freshman.
Then we have a True Freshman class of Hopson, Jurick, Negedu, West and Woolridge.
Seniors and Sophomores are pretty thin.

From a standpoint of numbers versus minutes you can figure the sixth man at 20 mpg, seventh man at 18 mpg, eight man at 15 mpg and the ninth man at 10 mpg. So only 9 guys are going to get appreciable minutes and that leaves five getting splinters in their butts. At least three need to redshirt!

Posted by brownsvillevol on June 24, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

memten since you don't "believe" "noone",whom i don't know who noone is but here is the link so he can read it if he knows how to.
http://www.govolsextra.com/news/2008/...
idiot.

Posted by brownsvillevol on June 24, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sorry put the e in there
http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2008/a...

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 24, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I live in New York...you know...the biggest and best city in our country.

As that blog states, you can keep beating us all you want and keep peaking in February and losing in March...but you are the only fans in the world who consider that a great thing. Memphis fans love watching you CONTINUALLY not make it past the sweet sixteen even if you do beat us sometimes...MARCH IS ALL THAT MATTERS!

Posted by LanceR24 on June 24, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BigOrangeVol
i dont think he is on the roster yet becuase he is just a commit, he has yet to sign his loi.

Posted by brownsvillevol on June 24, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yeah but as that blog also states you are not our arch rival and will never be perceived that way and that game was/is not our superbowl and memphis has had as many downtrodden years as tennessee.don't sit to high on your horse.new york city heh...........i've been there.

Posted by volguy41nlouisiana on June 24, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey memphis.....how did you do in March...????are you truly happy being 2nd best....its not like we walk around chanting...were number 12...were number 12....but you apparently love the fact that you are number two...still doesnt earn you anything...YOU are as much a loser in the tournament as we are...Kansas and Kansas only ...can hold claim to any significant shite talking....Yeah..we beat you...and you advanced farther...woopity doo.....Memphins still is a loser....plain and simple....

Posted by brownsvillevol on June 24, 2008 at 5:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

memten that is the problem with memphis fans "sometimes" is 63% of the time.
UT = 12 OF 19 63%
UM = 7 OF 19 36%
for an opposing fan whose team has a losing record against ut,you shouldn't be here disrespecting us.

Posted by TommyJack on June 24, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

memphistenn: NYC. Now THAT I can believe.

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 24, 2008 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, 12-7...what a huge stat. Man, you really put me in my place brownsville. The BIGGEST STAT OF ALL IS THAT TENNESSEE HAS NEVER DONE ONE THING IN MARCH. EMBARRASSMENT/JOKE/HILARIOUS/AWESOME.

Your percentage in sweet sixteen games= 0%!!!!!

Posted by volguy41nlouisiana on June 24, 2008 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thats right Memphis...you get the silver star with the frizzies hanging off of it and we get a golf clap....still both equalling not one dayummm thing....lol

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 24, 2008 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yet, we get the National Runner-Up banner and you get the East Regional Semi-Finals banner and did not finish in the final poll top 10. I know which one I'd rather have. Oh, and 3 NBA draft picks to come. Jajuan and Lofton will be lucky sniff the pros.

Posted by volguy41nlouisiana on June 24, 2008 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OOOOOOOHHHHHHH a banner....all this for a banner...lmao...you truly are warped....and apparently have not one lick of athletic ability as you live thru your so called 3 NBA draft picks.....and as you so eloquently put it...Jajuan and Lofton will be lucky sniff the pros.....hmmmmmmmmm...didnt those sniffers wipe away that NATION long win streak....wow...that does hurt doesnt it...getting taken to the shed...in your house...by below average players....(year after year)..how will we make it...lol

Posted by LanceR24 on June 24, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

memphistenn2117
we finshed #5 in the AP and #7 in the usa today so ya we did finish in the top ten.

Posted by murrayvol on June 24, 2008 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

memphistenn @ 4:58: New York City!! Git a rope.

Posted by General_Watermelon on June 24, 2008 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow! Thanks dathcha for the news on the basketball signee we stole from Memphis. Do you work at the KNS by chance? Good day to you Sir.

Posted by Colliervol on June 24, 2008 at 9:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Surely you jest. Memphistenn has been beaten to death in every article he's appeared on and he still keeps coming back for more. Definitely some masochistic tendencies. But they're kinky like that in NYC so what do you expect.

Remember this. BP has this program much farther along in three years than Cal had Memphis in the same time frame. (Can you say perennial NIT?) And that's what scares you. This program is coming and there is nothing you can do about it. Give him the same time period you gave Calipari (eight years) and let's see how it stands. Seems to me that would be the fair way to do it.

By the way kid, Cal still has those time outs left in his pocket. Call him up. Looks to me like you could use one.

Posted by Tennisajoke on June 24, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

YET, still nothing more than losses in the sweet sixteen or sooner ladies and gentlemen and that is why I am never bothered by Tennessee basketball because come March, they are an average team who can't get over the same hump they've been trying to get over for 100 years. Pride yourself on those regular season victories!

Posted by UT_LAW_2011 on June 25, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

memphistenn2117

I also live in New York. Born and Raised in fact.

And I'm moving to Knoxville.

Knoxville, where the people are nicer, the girls are prettier, the college is better, the basketball team is better (Knicks or Nets), the weather is better and the Vol Nation beats any fandom in the city.

If you think NYC is going to impress anyone on this page, you're wrong. And it impresses me the least.

Posted by brownsvillevol on June 25, 2008 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

you memphis fans are a complete joke you act as if you have made it past the sweet 16 for 50 years straight. like i said our chance is coming and you know it.it bothers you.and when we bring back a trophy before you do i will certainly die from laughter. hell i almost died from laughter when i read pat forde's article printed in the CA. what did it say? oh....yeah.... tigirls may not even win c-usa.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 25, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And still...after all your words, you guys have been losing for 100 straight year when it matters the most, that keeps us laughing.

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 25, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Vol basketball fans are like Chicago Cub fans...always talking about next year and "our chance." Why don't you do some walkin' along with all that talkin'. By putting players in the NBA, it shows you can develop basketball players. Seeing as Tennessee has 1 pro (and he is barely on the roster) shows that players go to UT and do not develop at all. But I'm sure you guys will keep blabbing about how BP is going to lead you to a championship...just stop talking and do something, like I don't know..advance past the 3rd round of the tournament maybe? hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 25, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh and anyone who would like to wager something on us winning conference USA, please please please let me know. I'll take what little money you have. We will see how confident you are we won't win the conference (haha) when something besides words is involved.

Posted by TopTenn on June 25, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

memphistenn2117 you are welcomed on this board. after visiting your funeral board I understand why you guys come where the excitement of Vols ball thrives. We may induct you and the other tigers in the honorary Big Orange Step Family.

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 25, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I come on this board to see how many dumb Tennessee fans I can get to say the most absurd things...its worked thus far.

Posted by TopTenn on June 25, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

memphistenn2117: Your requirements for induction into the Big Orange Step Family. 1) Sing Rocky Top 2)Wear orange suspenders to church Sunday 3) Slap Pouncer the tigger two times. And finally, denounce Cal.

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 25, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It doesn't even matter...North Carolina is far and away the best team in 09. They will win the national title with ease...so its silly to even talk about next year.

Posted by UT_LAW_2011 on June 25, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Right. Why even bother to play the season?

UNC was supposed to win last season. They won right? Oh wait, Kansas did. You probably remember that.

And UCONN was supposed to win in 2005. Wait, Florida did? Oh right. George Mason beat UCONN and they didn't even make the Final Four.

I could keep on going, but this post would be way too long.

UNC is the reason its silly to even talk about next year? Maybe, in fact, the other teams in Division I should bother to lace them up this year. Just in case.

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 25, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

North Carolina returns all their starters unlike the year before. Nobody has the talent they do 1-9. It is not even close. Last year, the four teams all year that everbody went back and forth on was Memphis, UCLA, UNC and Kansas. And, it turned out it was the best final four in all the years of the tournament because the 4 best teams made it their, all four #1 seeds for the first time ever. True, people thought UNC was the best of the four, but those four fluctuated being called "the best team" from about mid-season all the way until the end. It was the first year where their was also no chance of an "upset" in the final four as all of them would have deserved winning it. Kansas might have won, but that does not mean they were the best team. One game doesn't decide who the best team is as I hope you know. A 7 game series is a great way to tell, but unforutnately, the college basketball season cannot go on as long as the NBA playoffs. Kansas just happened to be the one's who won on April 7th. It was not a blowout or anything. It was a great game and Memphis gave the game away, no doubt. I think we can all agree if Memphis and Tennessee played 7 times, it would most likely be 4-3 Tennessee or 4-3 Memphis. One game just decides who won THAT night.

Posted by UT_LAW_2011 on June 25, 2008 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Memphistenn2117

Thank you for making my point.

"Kansas might have won, but that does not mean they were the best team. One game doesn't decide who the best team is as I hope you know."

Yes, in fact I do know.

That is exactly why, despite how good UNC looks on paper, that does not matter. What does matter is where they're seeded, what matchups they get in the bracket, and who gets hot at the right time.

Nothing is guaranteed. Which is why no one "wins the national title with ease" and why no one should make any plans to sit next season out.

Posted by brownsvillevol on June 25, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

memtenn you and your NBA. ALLEN HOUSTON will always go down as one of the best shooters in the NBA. he played at tennessee. memphis has no one in his caliber of player. yes memphis has put some guys in the NBA but to what extent. loyala marymount has put guys in the NBA. one of the best receivers in football came from a small college in mississippi,maybe you have heard of him,jerry rice. the u of m is not a highway to the NBA,no college program is,and to base a programs success on that is well,shallow.

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 25, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Allen Houston? one of the best shooters in the history of the NBA? Hahahhahahahahahha. you can't be serious.

Penny Hardaway in his prime was way better than Allen Houston in any of his years in the league.

Posted by UT_LAW_2011 on June 25, 2008 at 1:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This relates to us beating you the last two years how exactly?

Posted by overatedvols on June 25, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Special News Bulletin: University Of Memphis Tigers have been named the best college basketball team in the state of Tennessee. They are also the most successful team in college basketball for the last 3 years. Tenn. coach
Bruce Pearl was overheard telling an assistant coach that if he had to attend another final 4 as a spectator watching Memphis steal all his glory and air time he was leaving to join a program that could advance past the sweet 16.

Posted by ButchIsBack on June 25, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Random thoughts:

King was better by a long mile than any Memphis player.

NYC the best city in America? That is very funny.

UNC the best team? We shall see. They where not close last year. They had no good wins on their entire schedule until the Loiusville game. And returning all of your players that the NBA turned their nose to maybe a bad thing.

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 25, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Name a city better than New York? I can't wait for these responses!

Posted by overatedvols on June 25, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree Butch. North Carolina was totally overrated all last season. Just another sign that the so called experts usually have no idea.
Bernard King better than any Memphis player? Hmm..

Sorry guys I have not been on the last several days to defend the beloved Tigers program and to proclaim their superiority. I must work occasionally to keep the millions flowing in. I'm sure I have been missed.

Hey Brownie, what do you think the Griz. will do tommorrow night in the draft? I'm hearing they are trying to arrange a deal with Miami to get Beasley? Know anything?

Posted by TopTenn on June 25, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hey, overated recommend some tiger boards. Just want to visit and read some posts of another point of view.

Posted by brownsvillevol on June 25, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

over yes i know a little sumpin'. word i'm getting wich you know to be solid is memphis is not going to give up conelly. the knicks thing is junk and they really are not trying to move up to get beasley but mayo. if they can deal miller and lowry and the 5th pick we will get mayo and then and, i really know you'll like this, dorsey at the 28 spot. dorsey really impressed alot of top nba execs and now most beleive he will be drafted in the first round while cdr's stock is slipping he may end up drafted in the second round. i don't know why but some seem to think he's too one dimesional. honestly i don't see it. imo he will get drafted in the first round.

Posted by overatedvols on June 25, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You sure you just don't want to become overatedtigers and go on those sites and talk about the Vols. People that do stuff like that..whew..

Posted by brownsvillevol on June 25, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

memten even with all it's problems memphis is a better town than new york. i'll never forget that smell and the cab drivers. as far as airports go you have some of the best.

Posted by overatedvols on June 25, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Very interesting brownie. I did hear they were thinking of dealing miller, connely and lowry to try and get Beasley. Honestly wouldn't mind that happening. Good news on Dorsey. I know he wants to play here. I did hear that cdr's stock was going down also. Said he was not doing so well in the workouts and was getting outplayed. I don't know but I think whoever gets him has hit the jackpot. Without him the tigers would have never gotten where they got. I know NBA is a lot diff but I think he can contribute big time. Wish they could get rid of cardinal ..what a waste of money..big money

Posted by brownsvillevol on June 25, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

agree on cdr he's a steal for any gm at the 17 or above. cardinal was good player in his prime and he is good guy but almost eveyone in the org. knows he's overpayed. they been trying to deal himout for the last two years. don't get me wrong rudy gay is going to be a superstar i just wish we wouldn't have given up battier(our glue guy)to get stro back. yesterday my brother and i watched espn's top 10 nba flops in that order and we were very surprised not to see stro at #2. instead it was darko.lol! as for beasley vs. mayo i think wallace is flipping a coin. both have an upside but most beleive mayo will be the superstar.

Posted by memphistenn2117 on June 25, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PEOPLE and UNINTELLIGENT GRIZ FANS, HIS NAME IS CONLEY! NOT CONNELY OR CONELY OR HOWEVER ELSE YOU WANT TO SPELL HIS LAST NAME.

Posted by overatedvols on June 25, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks memphis. Did we manage to get cdr spelled correctly?

Brownie, i'm sure Cardinal is a good guy but to make that much money warming the bench. Hated they got rid of Battier. Should have just taken Gay and insisted the Rockets keep Stro. Another waste of money. Kwame Brown..whew.. they definitely have their probs. Owner hasn't helped trying everything he can to get rid of them. That Laettner deal was a joke.

Posted by brownsvillevol on June 25, 2008 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)

over A joke indeed. kwame should have went to college and he has MJ to thank for all his riches. if the griz get a good player in the draft and make the playoffs contact me, i can always get tickets. but then again anybody can get tickets now. but if scarcity is a problem i usually manage to get a few.

Posted by overatedvols on June 25, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks brownie. I don't think the word Griz and playoffs will go together for awhile but would be nice if they could get back to at least where they were in the Hubie days.

Posted by overatedvols on June 26, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Attention all Vol fans. The NBA draft is tonight. I'm sure you will all want to tune in to see if Derrick Rose will be chosen first or second in the draft. Good article in today CA:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/...

If the Vol program continues to come along, who knows one day you may reach a level like this where NBA teams are all trying to get one of your star players. In the meantime you still have us (big brother) over here in Memphis to idolize. You know, a goal to set that one day the vol program can reach the level that our program is at. In the meantime there's football and Lady Vols so the news isn't all bad.

Posted by UT_LAW_2011 on June 26, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm happy for Mr. Rose. He was a truly great player. I do think that success in the pros does yield to a slight elevation in a college hoops program, but those numbers pale in comparison to other facts.

Those key facts in evaluating a rivalry are:

1) Head to head play

2) Quality seasons
A) Post Season Accomplishment
B) Wins over top competition
C) Wins in a season

3) Recruiting successes (because all rivalries are about the future as much as the present and much more so than the past)

4) National Recognition
A) AP and ESPN Polls
B) NBA draft picks
C) Famous Coaches

We are winning:
1
2B
4C

You are winning:
2A
4A
4B
2C

We are Too Close To Call:
3

Now on the list of things I aspire for us to move forward in, certainly our players having success in the pros is one of them. But most Memphis posters pump their chests way more than is necessary for this part of the rivalry (you usually with a hint of irony but most lack your skills).

By the way, another reason I'm happy for Mr. Rose tonight is that we don't have to see him next year. We won the game, but man that kid played great.

Posted by overatedvols on June 26, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hello UT_LAW, good post. I can agree with the Vols getting your number 1, but 2B, and 4C?
2b, wins over top competition. You should go back and look at our schedule last year. Yes, we're in conf. usa but we had an incredible out of conference schedule last year. We beat USC, Georgetown, Ariz. Gonzaga, Oklahoma, UConn. UAB,and Cincinati. That doesn't include the run in the ncaa tourney where we played Miss. St. Michigan St. Texas, UCLA and Kansas. I'm not sure Tenn. can match this.
The other one 4c) Famous coach, do you think Bruce Pearl is more famous than John Calapari? In Knoxville he is but I don't think around the nation.
I'll agree with you on number 3. It's about even. We've both had a very good recruiting season.
All in all next season should be good seasons for both teams. I'm ready for it to start now. Of course, we have nothing to look forward to over here in football season. Being honest, the Vol football team is my fav. but don't tell anybody. I don't get the Fulmer haters. I knew there was some things being said about people being unhappy but I had no idea so many people felt that way till I starting reading this board.

Posted by UT_LAW_2011 on June 26, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We root for different teams Overated, but you're probably my favorite person to post with. Totally agreed on the Football point completely. I don't think the dislike of Coach Fulmer is rational or in the best interest of the program.

The question I am always compelled to want to ask is:

Who would you get to replace him?

I know of no one available right now who would do as good a job as Coach Fulmer. Furthermore, the team is tearing up the recruiting field for this time of the year and he has to get credit for that.

I actually was at the Memphis USC game and agree that the non-conference schedule the Tigers had was good. But we were #1 ranked this year in schedule difficulty and RPI, I think due to conference and the fact that we went along on the road alot.

I'm looking at the schedule again: West Virginia & Texas (neutral site), Gonzaga and Xavier (road), Western Kentucky (neutral site), Memphis (road).

As you mentioned the conference was huge.

Florida, Ohio State, Kentucky, Arkansas at home and Florida, Mississippi State, Georgia on the road don't look great based on their Tourney performance or lack there of but they're still better than the middle of the pack CUSA teams and I think that was the difference in the rankings.

Plus since jump street in Coach Pearl's regime, he's put together the toughest schedule possible every year. I think it's a trait he picked up from Coach Summitt.

And I do think that Coach Pearl is more well known than Coach Calipari because Coach Cal is a standard hoops coach. Coach Pearl does a lot of things that attract attention to himself (like painting his body and wearing the orange blazer) that get him on ESPN even when the team isn't playing.

Put it this way: I'm from New York. John Calipari coached the neighboring NJ Nets and did a very good job. If you went to the average sports bar here and watched the UT Memphis game more people would know who Coach Pearl was. I only know this because I did it. And I was surpised myself. Same thing happened when I went to the same bar for the Kentucky game. During the NCAA tourney he was tied with Pitino when they played Louisville.

That's not to say that Cal isn't well known or a good Coach, but Coach Pearl has got this Jimmy Valvano love affair with the media going. Guy's a good coach and good at marketing.

Posted by overatedvols on June 26, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok UT_LAW, won't debate coach popularity.
Cal has had his share of media attention too. Years ago Temple coach John Chaney attacked him after a game and had to be pulled off. He was screaming..i'll kill you. Remember that? Don't think it was the kind of attention he wanted but it was definitely in the news.

Posted by UT_LAW_2011 on June 27, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Coach Cal did indeed get a lot of notoriety from that. Coach Pearl's attention isn't negative.

He's getting the Barnem and Bailey type attention.

Posted by TommyJack on June 27, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

John Chaney had the right idea.