Posted by IPOrange on June 1, 2008 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The guy's mother is very ill and FSU representatives denied his request for release twice. That's cold hearted.....

Posted by IPOrange on June 1, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TDTN - Yep. Here's hoping that the NCAA will be more compassionate.

Posted by foreverorange on June 1, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has FSU ever shown any class?

Posted by thesavageorange on June 1, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It also says something about Warren's ability.If he wasn't a star in the making papa Bowden would have patted his rear and said ,good luck kid.

Posted by BleedingOrange on June 1, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We don't really need a tight end. convert him to a defensive end

Posted by invisiblekid on June 1, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ditto Savage O.

Posted by tennisvol on June 1, 2008 at 7:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shame on Florida State and Bobby Bowden!

Posted by philfan on June 1, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Coldhearted is right. I cannot imagine Fulmer denying a request for such an extreme and unfortunate set of circumstances. I lost my mother about ten years ago, and it was a very sad situation. People remember these things, and it will hurt FSU and help UT, in the long run.

Posted by KingsportVol on June 1, 2008 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If he does get to play this season are we still ranked #35 in recruiting?

Posted by miamiVOL on June 1, 2008 at 8:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

good to hear, I am sure Clawson will be able to get the ball in this playmakers hands, i hope

Posted by volster on June 1, 2008 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good point, Kingsport. With the addition of Warren and Morley, we may survive a #35 recruiting class.

Posted by ncvol on June 1, 2008 at 9:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Best of luck to Warren on the appeal. I hope things work out for him to be at UT.

Posted by TurboFan on June 1, 2008 at 9:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This should be perfunctory. Sit out a year, make the grades to be admitted. Boom, done deal. Isn't the taking and passing the classes what's important? Is the NCAA a Star Chamber?

Posted by 99gator on June 1, 2008 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

savage

5:50 pm post is right on the money.

in addition, guess what story about florida state urban meyer is telling on the recruiting trail. that story really goes over well with mama.

Posted by cjraney on June 1, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hoping for the best for Mr. Warren and his family.

Posted by LiveFaith on June 1, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hope Warren gets to play this year for the Vols sake and that of his family. But, the NCAA should make changing schools a "torturous path".

Remember, Brandon Warren shunned UT and freely chose to COMMIT himself to FSU. Commitments should still mean something these days. Going 10 hours away to Tallahassee should be part of the consideration from the beginning. It's not FSUs fault. They kept their word in all this.

Posted by raynochonspeed on June 2, 2008 at 12:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LiveFaith, the idea of commitment in college football means less these days because of coaches.

When the Sabans and Petrinos suffer no penalty for defecting to other schools, leaving kids to whom they've made promises, these 18-year-olds should actually be allowed to transfer more easily, especially in situations such as Warren's.

Posted by cwisenhower on June 2, 2008 at 12:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

foreverorange posted:

"Has FSU ever shown any class?"

Yeah. January 4th, 1999. Go Vols.

Posted by piledriver on June 2, 2008 at 7:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Besides. We don't even play FSU that I can tell? So why is it any skin off their backs? Other than vengeance for daring to leave 'em.

Posted by ctownvol on June 2, 2008 at 7:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The greatest group of all has a little something to say to Saint Bobby and the NCAA! Just give it a listen...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z-1UvttlXGc

Posted by sjt18 on June 2, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe they just don't want to make leaving look easy right now. FSU has had alot of problems. I'm sure there are others that might see an easy escape as something desirable.

Posted by seaplane on June 2, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My son in law was on the FSU coaching staff during Warren's first year. He said he was the best player on the team even as a freshman. He said he was a quick learn and very coachable. We need him right now.

Posted by auttat on June 2, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"LiveFaith, the idea of commitment in college football means less these days because of coaches."

Funny statement, because the one that is committed to UT couldn't get run out of town soon enough by some. Loyalty works both ways.

Posted by pdhuff on June 2, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Best of luck to this young man on life's winding road.

Posted by pdhuff on June 2, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Best of luck to this young man on life's winding road.

Posted by beachvol1 on June 2, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anybody have a website to FSU, so I can blast Bowden for being so sorry as to not let this kid go on with his life...

Posted by andefromtn on June 2, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It does look bad on Coach Bowdon, and FSU not to release this kid. He appears to had had valid reasons for leaving school at FSU. This does not sound like the same coach who stepped up to help Marshall rebuild in 1968 after the plane crash. Perhaps winning and money is more important to Bobby B. now.

Posted by tigervol9802 on June 2, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Question to everyone bashing Bowden -

Move his mother to Birmingham, and if he wanted to transfer from FSU to Bama, how many of you would care?

Probably none of you. My guess is most posters could care less about him or his mom and only want him here to play football.

Personally, I would love to hear what most of you would have had to say about Tyler Smith if he would have transferred to Vandy instead of UT. Pathetic.

Posted by Pullingguard on June 2, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bottome line the young man made a mistake, choose the wrong University and this reinforces the SEC not upholding the early signing date. Young men must make a good decision at the start or they will have problems as Brandon Warren has faced and still facing. Wish him well for the future, but doubt seriously that he will gain a favorable ruling from the NCAA on his eligibility for the 2008 season.

Posted by TommyJack on June 2, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator: IMO, all of FSU's problems are self-induced. Need to clean house. I'm sure you're loving it!

Posted by sg23 on June 2, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tigervol sounds like a moron

Posted by txsvol on June 2, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Kingsport, If we add DeMo's ***** & Gerald Williams' and Brandon Warren's **** to our 2.94 as calculated by scout, we'd be 11th in 2008, not 35th. That was a statistical abberation. Glad to make this point for the umpteenth time. Go Vols! SAVol

Posted by mloaks on June 2, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iowa letting tyler smith come her to be with dad was more like it.

Posted by Vol13 on June 2, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How about some of you blaming the real reason for all of this - Brandon Warren. His mother was sick back in 2005 was being recruited by FSU. He signed in Feb. 2006 and played that fall. He knew all of this BEFORE he ever left Alcoa the first time. As I recall, he was smug with UT back during the initial process and the "homeboy" didn't really give us any consideration.

I feel sorry for his mother being ill. But the reality is that this was the case in 2005, as it is in 2008. If it was such a big deal then, why didn't he stay close to home? I hope this all works out for him. But it's his own fault.

Rules are rules and are in place to prevent every 18 year old in the nation from doing stuff like this annually. It's not going to help Brandon's cause that he just up and dropped out of school with a 1 year timeframe.

Posted by Vol13 on June 2, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Kingsport, If we add DeMo's ***** & Gerald Williams' and Brandon Warren's **** to our 2.94 as calculated by scout, we'd be 11th in 2008, not 35th. That was a statistical abberation. Glad to make this point for the umpteenth time. Go Vols!"

Then to be fair - go back to the classes where Morley and Williams originally signed and deduct them from those rankings. Can't have it both ways. I'm sure that would drop UT's ranking down the charts in those years. And Williams has counted about 20 times.

The fact is that our recruiting stinks vs. what it was a few year's ago. Using smoke and mirrors to try and make it look better than what it really is will come crashing down like a house of cards. We're signing a lot more 3*'s that what we used to. And we're battling VCU, MTSU, etc. for some of those.

Florida, Georgia, LSU all recruit in the Top 5 to Top 10 each year. Add Bama to that list going forward. That's what's more important than where we rank once you add in a bunch of re-treads to the class.

Posted by douglasawilliams on June 2, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hope he wins his appeal. We need more pressure on the quarterback so I would like him to play DE if the staff feels he could be a difference maker. The only way you beat great teams like Florida is to create havoc in the back field and get some turnovers. That Tebow is hard to put down but some hard sacks will make him think twice about holding the football very long. Last year they knew we couldn't generate any pressure and threw a bomb on their own 1 yard line completing a 50 yard pass!!!

Posted by chrslyp on June 2, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vol13:

First, the kid has been a huge FSU fan since he was a kid, so of course he's going to strongly consider going to tallahassee if they recruit him, and from my sources, it was a really hard decision between fsu and ut, but, his dream was to play for fsu.

second, his mother was sick back then, but conditions worsen, and i'm sure he didn't anticipate by how much.

put yourself in his shoes and i bet you do the same thing, hell, i know i would have. is this partially his fault, of course, but to blast him and call him a "homeboy" is out of line, especially since i doubt you know him personally.

Posted by TommyJack on June 2, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

douglasawilliams: Please say you're kidding.

chrslyp: Whatsamatter with Homey? He IS a local kid, is he not?

Posted by BigO4Vols on June 2, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i love the guy and what he did at fsu but look what just happened to the most recent fsu transfer we got-K O'Neal. didn't pan out too well! Best of luck to him and his family! GO VOLS!!!

Posted by orangebloodgmc on June 2, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's what some ucla fans are saying ...

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=12#s=1...

(sorry to jack a thread, but we have no way to start a fresh one).

Posted by Vol13 on June 2, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

chrslyp:

When I was 18, I got my HS sweetheart pregnant. It was my fault and I was effectively an adult. So I went to work, got married, and did the right thing. I eventually was stable enough to get my degree and better myself. I now own my own business some 25 years later and we have a good family life. Our oldest will be getting his MBA from UT in August.

Warren knew what he was doing. He's asking for a mulligan now though. The right thing to do would be for him to be a man and take responsibility for his actions. Sit out until he is fully eligible and see to his mother. Then come back and play in 2009. I'm not opposed to him appealing. And I hope he wins for his sake. But ultimately he is at fault for getting himself into this situation.

As for homeboy - you are hilarious. I won't even comment further.

Posted by chrslyp on June 2, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vol13:

How is he not being a man and taking responsibility for his actions? From what i can tell, he's doing exactly what he should be. If i had to guess, it's UT who is pressing the matter to get him eligible for this year more than he is.

As for homeboy - you are hilarious. You obviously have never met, or spoken to the kid. I have. Instead of calling him a homeboy, just call him what you really mean, a thug.

Posted by chrslyp on June 2, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

p.s. just a friendly note, congrats to yourself and your son. I can't judge nor comment to your situation, for i have never been in those shoes.

Posted by Vol13 on June 2, 2008 at 1:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks. LOL!!! I don't think he is a thug. I don't know where you got that. I said homeboy because he is a local kid.

My initial post is that he's responsible for where he is today and I stand by that. But some lessons in life are best learned by making the wrongs ones first.

Posted by chrslyp on June 2, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

my apologies, i took your homeboy wrongly, if that's what you meant, then absolutely he's a homeboy. i'm from alcoa too, so technically, i guess i'm a homeboy. haha.

Posted by auttat on June 2, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Warren knew what he was doing. He's asking for a mulligan now though. The right thing to do would be for him to be a man and take responsibility for his actions."

The NCAA has a provision to accommodate the situation that Warren is in. He is appealing under the circumstances that the NCAA has deemed fit to lax it's judgment. Not sure how you can tell a person to "man-up" when he made the decision to come home and take care of his mother. He could have handled the situation a little better, but it's not like he impregnated an 18 yr. old girl or anything.

See what I just did, I past judgment on someone I have the slightest knowledge of.

Posted by auttat on June 2, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Before you go off the deep-end Vol13, and after reading your posts, you don't seem to far from the cliff, I applaud you for making the decision to give the child a father. Many would have made a different decision. And, your situation could happen to anyone, myself included.

Posted by chrslyp on June 2, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i'm still confused, if he's already sat out a year, why would he not be eligible to play this year? all because he left after one semester?

Posted by bricker865 on June 2, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DCflorida..that was pretty cool. Wish there was a clip (like live TV) that showed it better but it was still nice.

Posted by Vol13 on June 2, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

auttat:

I guess I am just sick of people in life messing up and then wanting a do-over to fix it or saying it's not their fault. That is all. I agree that he should have handled this differently. There may be more to the FSU departure than we all know.

Thanks for the well-wishes.

Posted by 99gator on June 2, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tommyjack @ 10:13

the evil empire is crumbling. the funny thing is they don't know how many years away they are from truly getting back to relevance. they think they are a year or two away.

it will take a minimum of three years....after bowden is gone.

Posted by hiresanders on June 2, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This Idiot should have stayed in state if he wanted to play here. He knew what he getting when he signed that LOI.

Posted by TommyJack on June 2, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99: True. Good for you. Bad for others. I think the "coach in waiting" theory is stupid too.

Posted by murrayvol on June 2, 2008 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Life is chocked full of choices. Some work out and some don't.

How many regulars on this board could've run the mindnumbing/smoke blowing recruiting gauntlet these 18 year olds endure and make a good one?

I hope this works out for him (and UT) and he goes on to have a great life full of good choices.

Posted by pdhuff on June 2, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

murrayvol-7:31- I can identify with the mind-numbing and smoke-blowing, but don't remember it being a guantlet but more like Nehru jackets, long hair, etc.

Oh, excuse me , you were referring to recruiting.

Just a geezer moment.

Finally got to Books That Cost A Million and read Lindy's and Athlon. Don't recomend them for
koolade drinkers and sunshine-blowers. One I believe is picking us 17th and the other 24th. We're almost even with Fresno State in one.

To Dawg-haters, one picked Moreno as the best RB in America and said Dawgs are loaded on D.

Who knows, we'll see.

Posted by TommyJack on June 2, 2008 at 8:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Boycott Lindy's and Athon.

Posted by murrayvol on June 2, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ: That bad huh? Okay since you haven't boycotted either, give us the #s so we can save $5.95 or whatever. I'm guessing 17 & 19.

Posted by 99gator on June 2, 2008 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

murray

#17 in athlon
#24 in lindy's

Posted by TommyJack on June 2, 2008 at 9:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Murray: Haven't read. Was taking a tongue in cheek shot at the Adams' boycotters. Ratings mean squat anyway. Tee it up.

Posted by Rebelsfball2008 on June 2, 2008 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

in resopnse to the jacked UCLA thread....LMAO thats great..great to see that their morale is up....lol

Posted by rootin4volz on June 2, 2008 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FSU--Always stealing something from somebody.

Posted by VOLinDAWGland on June 3, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm fine with 17 or 24. If we take care of business in September we'll be just fine. If we don't, then less far to fall.

Posted by murrayvol on June 3, 2008 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator: Thanks! Now let's consider the #s.

Athlon: 17 - I think that's about right
Lindy's: 24 - I think that's about wrong

Summary: Neither one is worth a bucket of spit. History does tell us that it's difficult (if not impossible) to win an NC with those starting points.

Posted by pdhuff on June 3, 2008 at 5:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

volindawgland 3:22 - that's the most positive thing I've seen lately. Good post.

Not sure about Moreno being the best back in America, though.

Posted by pdhuff on June 4, 2008 at 6:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator - do you guys have bumper stickers saying "Keep Fulmer & Bowden"?

Posted by orangebloodgmc on June 4, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

... and Richt?

Posted by pdhuff on June 4, 2008 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I liked the one that said "Will Rogers never met Steve Spurrier".