Posted by brdteton on February 22, 2008 at 10:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If luck brings 20 + year win streaks I will take it.... 1 and 5 Coach Johnson... Not bad for UT v. VU

Posted by Indianavol on February 22, 2008 at 11:02 p.m.

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Posted by Indianavol on February 22, 2008 at 11:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

govudores,

Enjoy that 1 football win every 25 years, because it is going to be about that long before you win again!

Posted by BigVolinCarolina on February 23, 2008 at 12:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Coach Fulmer,

I understand why you wrote this; however, I think it was a bad move. The media, in general, have taken shots at you before. Why start responding now?

Paying heed to John Adams only tells him--and countless others--that you DO read what's written about you. It really makes think that you, in fact, are feeling the heat as UT's coach and sense that your job is on the line.

Coach your team. Defend your players. But don't start getting embroiled in personal battles with the media. It's not going to help you, nor will it ever help you.

Posted by thevol on February 23, 2008 at 1:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It says 775 responses on the main page and there are only like 75 on here. They must have deleted like 700 of Fritter/CR/Touchdowntn/Volretard/, etc.. posts. What a shame. How are we ever going to be educated about Tn sports.

Posted by andy112382 on February 23, 2008 at 1:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jcvet - I was going by the numbers, I know Fulmer is no Bear Bryant, and I am thankful for that, we don't need some d*mn Bama idol anywhere near knoxville. Fulmer is Fulmer and Bryant is Bryant, all i said was Fulmer has a higher winning percentage, which no one who can tell which one of two numbers is higher can argue.

Posted by rockyknox on February 23, 2008 at 7:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Every Vol fan needs to listen to this Paul Finebaum segment with John Adams.

http://www.finebaum.com/media/archives/g

It reminds me of Jane Fonda talking to the Viet Cong. Propaganda supporting the enemy. Why do we put up with Adams writing for our paper?

Posted by goldengate on February 23, 2008 at 7:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If govudores was as smart as she'd apparently like us to believe that she is, she would stick to talking about academics and avoid making jabs at the UT football program. Looking at the entire situation in a realistic and historical manner, Vanderbilt is great academically and it's football program is poor. UT, on the other hand, is very good academically and has a great football program.

She states that UT's coach "doesn't know what it means to run a "a decent, above reproach football program", but her error is equating "decent" with "above reproach". I am sure that many of Vandy's players are decent, but I'm quite confident that none are "above reproach". That situation would be the same at UT. And on a "nuts and bolts" note, a true academician would know that the words "above" and "reproach", when used together as an adjective to describe a football program, should be hyphenated. I guess she's not quite as smart as she seems to want to believe that she is.

She states that "since Bobby Johnson arrived in Nashville he has proven the ability to compete equally on UT's level". But a look at their respective records during Johnson's time at Vanderbilt shows Johnson having a record of 8-40 in the SEC and 20-50 overall. No bowls. Last in the SEC-East 4 years, next-to-last 2 years. Fulmer, during Johnson's Vanderbilt tenure, is 32-16 and 52-25 in the SEC and overall, respectively, with three 1st place finishes in the SEC-East and 5 bowl appearances. In the instances where the 'dores and Vols have met head-to-head, Fulmer has bested Johnson 5 of 6 times.

Johnson has improved the 'dores. In his 1st three years as Vandy's coach, he won 2 games per year. In his last 3 years there, he has won almost 5 games per year. Fulmer has averaged 9.3 wins and 8 wins during those periods, respectively. govudores would do well to remember Johnson's 3 best years amounted to 9 total wins, whereas Fulmer's worst 3 years brought 24 wins.

It seems as if govudores got her panties in a wad. She has abandoned her superior Vanderbilt intellect and has chosen to bait the "great unwashed", those being the UT faithful, with an emotional but erroneous series of posts on this thread. It seems that she would serve her Vanderbilt cause more dutifully by NOT coming onto this site and ranting like an idiot.

Posted by goldengate on February 23, 2008 at 7:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I realize that my last post doesn't have much to do with Fulmer's letter, but I had to respond to a cocky Vandy fan. Why do these fans of other teams feel the need to come to a site called GoVolsXtra?

Posted by capstone4117 on February 23, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Indianavile,
I think im starting to like you.......nah
Currency and the overall record is all that matters in a series. The most current match up between our schools saw your viles get their ass kicked all over bds and we own the series. 41-17!!!
you know that Tennessee will never be or even come close to what Alabama is, was, or will be.
You guys are seriously proud of your coach for responding. I think it was a bad move. Maybe he's getting jump start on a new proffession.

Posted by pdhuff on February 23, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Two thing:

1. Stay tuned.
2. Beat U of M, somehow, someway.

Posted by tlc429 on February 23, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm going to waste my keystrokes typing this again. No matter what ethnicity or tax bracket you come from, going from hometown football hero to "Welcome to UT where once you catch our eye, we'll walk up to you in Kroger's like we've known you all our lives and call you by your first name". The amount of attention we lavish on these kids, and make no mistake, you are still a kid at 17, 18 AND sometimes 22, is close to idolization. I've seen a new prospect get that glazed over look in their eyes as they stared at Gibb hall for the first time. Nevermind our practice facilites, etc. You are throwing a child who is used to playing in front of 500-1,000 people on Friday nights into a media frenzied NCAA program now playing on Saturdays in front of 100K plus. If only they had to just go to school and learn plays. No. They have to deal with fans. They have to decide in a split second if a person wants to congratulate them or take their head off when out in public. And you want Coach Fulmer, the winningest football coach at UT in my 46 years to bear the brunt of everything that's wrong with our program. You all remind me of a bigoted neighbor I grew up with. When a player of color would score a touchdown, he was a "Fine Colored Gentleman". But if he fumbled the ball?!!! *shaking my head* The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Posted by Mr_Bandman on February 23, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As an educator who also deals with a large number of students in an extracurricular setting, I completely empathize with Phil Fulmer. The very best teenagers I know are still teenagers, and as such are prone to agonizingly frustrating lapses of judgment and acts of sheer stupidity. They need a firm hand, yes, but the need guidance and encouragement as well. I deal with the "off with their heads" mentality a lot from people who feel my discipline isn't harsh enough---and, like Phil, I can only point to the success stories from over the years----kids I chose not to dismiss from the program who grew from their mistakes and have become people of good character. Mistakes are part of learning. Also, these kids in the UT football program have been with Fulmer for 1, 2, 3, maybe 4 years---they've been with their parents a lot longer than that. What happened to good old fashioned home training? Phil is not their daddy or mommy, and frankly, he shouldn't be expected to be---the fact that he takes such an interest in their development as people tells me that he's better suited for the head football coaching position at my Alma Mater than an awful lot of coaches out there.

Here's another thought---I'm sure some will take issue with this because most people subscribe to this irrational and illogical way of thinking----they aren't Tennessee Football players 24-7-365. Sometimes they're Math students----anyone point fingers at Colquitt's math professor and demand his job? Sometimes they're just idiot kids---who is to blame then? Expecting any head coach to be responsible for his or her players' behavior absolutely all of the time is stupid and unreasonable. And please don't respond with "but he makes so much money!"---that's a hollow argument.

Posted by Colliervol on February 23, 2008 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, it's Saturday and there is still a significant portion of our fan base who, I guess, just wish everybody would be quiet about our players' "indiscretions" and they will all just magically disappear. Guess it doesn't matter if they make themselves, the coaching staff and the university look like Miami North.

Some folks keep sqawking about "if you don't like it, change the policies". Well, if it were in my power, it would be one chance and done but that ain't happening. My question to that is: Do you see Fulmer lining up at Hamilton's and Slive's door to "change the policies". Nope, because the lax rules play right into a coach's abilities to keep offenders on the team. Four and done? That's an absolute joke.

Posted by TommyJack on February 23, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tlc429: Would like to understand your post, but it wasn't cohesive.(to me at least) What do the racial comments have to do with the first part of your post? Please explain.

Posted by ep3 on February 23, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As a former Vol athlete (not football), I'm like everyone else wanting success on the football field. Coach Fulmer has had a successful run overall and I would be happy for him to stay as long as he wants. I don't even question Coach Fulmer's genuine caring for each individual athlete in his program and his desire for their success both on and off the football field, and their lives after UT. But, in reality, whatever Fulmer, and Mike Hamilton for that matter, are doing in regards to discipline is simply not working, period. We all must remember that these are young kids, most of them very immature when they reach UT, just like many other students, but probably more so because of the way that they are treated as "athletes." Fulmer need to look to other successful football programs that have had more off the field success than UT's "Miami North" image and CHANGE the process, accountability, etc. For the sake of the players, not the fans, changes need to be made. The popular definition of "Insanity" is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. If its not working, changes must be made. Good luck Coach Fulmer.

Posted by jeffwvol on February 23, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I, for one, am honored to have Coach Fulmer as a leader, role model, teacher, coach, and educator in our community. The article was outstanding and it was a relief to hear from the man that we all get such a "kick" out of analyzing. I glanced at these posts yesterday morning and they seemed to be very positive. Today it seems KNS has erased many of the positive comments... kind of funny. Football season is just around the corner and I will look forward to seeing how our Coach is able to lift this team up and take them farther than anyone imagines they will go... as he has done so many times in the past.

Posted by FulmerStinks5and6 on February 23, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Coach...I mean "educator" Fulmer stay as long as he wants!?? That's insane. He will only stay as long as he is successful as will any coach ("educator") at any college. And his successful days have long since passed. Am I wrong or did he give the impression from that article that he had a good year last year. WOW! First in the East why doesn't he just add Tennessee State Champions! If he calls a 10-4 season in which our average margin of defeat was 21 pts, getting lambasted twice on nationally televised games, getting embarrassed 59 (yes 59) to 20 by our now far superior rival and successful year, than I would hate to see what a bad year is, oh, wait, we already have 5-6!
I just don't understand what is going on down there with all these arrests. I mean is Fulmer trying to coach team to win the SEC or start Tennessee's first Penal league. So he is looking after all his players as he would his own children? Should I call Social Services?
But let's just take a step back and look at the bigger picture. It's still february and instead of the excitement building over our newly signed recruits we have embarrassment shaming our beloved University over our current players. Where has our program gone? Or, more frightening to think how far will it go before Mike-I'M-in-love-with-Fulmer-Hamilton wises up and let's him go. I just hope that Fulmer gets it through to his players that our rivals, 'the boys is blue' refers to Florida and Kentucky not to the knox county police department.

Posted by gator4life on February 23, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I posted this on another column, but in case you missed it. If you really think that coaches should be in charge of punishment, and that UT would be better off if you could keep all the arrests and altercations out of the newspaper, you should read the article in the link below. It is kinda lengthy, but just shows that there is too much of a conflict of interest to let a coach that depends on the performance of the same players, to hand out their discipline.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html...

And on a final note, there is no defense for allowing Colquitt to return to the team. How would you feel if he had killed your daughter, wife, etc. while driving drunk?

Posted by Sauderman on February 23, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer stinks and he should be fired. He is a good coach yes, but he is not a great coach. If Hamilton had left Buzz Peterson in the job at B-ball do you really think The men would be playing Mephis today for a #1 National ranking. Buzz was also a good coach and know doubt The mens b-ball team might have had a good year. Fulmer is a good coach and Mentor, but we need a great coach.

Also, some may be upset at Adams article, but what he said about the boosters is true whether you like it or not. It cost money to run a program especially all the money they waist on Fulmers contract.

Also I looked at the new recruiting class in the paper and it looks like there will be many arrest in the future

Posted by Sauderman on February 23, 2008 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fire Fulmer

Posted by michann on February 23, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I missed John Adams article, but what I do know is that Fulmer dulls out punishment depending on the value of the player to the team. If Colquitt was 2nd string and not one of the best punters in the country, he would have been kicked off the team. I am on the outside looking in and yes, as in the past, present and future, actions speak louder than words. Fulmer can say one thing, but when he does another, the words mean nothing.
Make no mistake that wins are most important to Fulmer over anything else as it is with most all coaches. Wins translate into continued muti-million dollar years. We can't blame him for that - we all want to make more money. The difference is that Fulmer will say being an educator is most important.
I have noticed something consistantly on The Phillip Fulmer Show. If a UT player fumbles, than Fulmer says "we gave the ball" to the other team. When the opposing team fumbles he says "we took it away" from them. You would have to have orange colored glasses on to not notice that he struggles to ever give the other team credit.

Posted by jweaver3 on February 23, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone seen TIDESPORTS.COM are there any articles on it to fire Saban.
He has had his star player in the secondary and a defensive lineman both arrested in the last week!!!
HEY ADAMS HAVE YOU WRITTEN YOU TIDE ARTICLE YET!!

Or what about your belove LSU and there starting(allegedly) QB Perrilloux!!!

We all have our wayward players.
with as many 18-22 year olds as we all have on our teams, I'm really shocked there aren't more arrest.

These kids are treated like rock stars, and most act like rock stars!!!!
TXVOLSFAN

Posted by Homermoosevols on February 23, 2008 at 6:20 p.m.

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Posted by pdhuff on February 23, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gator4life 2:49 Good link, It just shows you how far coaches go out of their way to keep a piece of garbage out of jail.

Beat U of M. Someway. Do this and the "I Hate Orange" shirts will go into the garage.

Posted by movol77 on February 23, 2008 at 7:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Coach your team. Defend your players. But don't start getting embroiled in personal battles with the media. It's not going to help you, nor will it ever help you."

What he said has been celebrated by the players and team! :)

Posted by movol77 on February 23, 2008 at 7:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gator4life said, "And on a final note, there is no defense for allowing Colquitt to return to the team. How would you feel if he had killed your daughter, wife, etc. while driving drunk?"

WHAT???? No on was injured. That doesn't justify Colquitt but you are living in fantasy, not reality.

BTW. Now that you have taken a no-tolerance stand on drunk driving for other teams players, how many Gators should be kicked off this year's team?

Posted by TnFarmer on February 23, 2008 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FAT FULMER needs to go go go. If she cant get a grip on her team someone should. She is too passive and too quick to pat their butts and tell em good job. She must set her FAT FOOT down and start the example making process.....but oh no she cant do it because SHE set the precedent when she let the first player get away with stupid things for the 3rd 4th 5th or who knows how many times..sick sick sick I bet Miachael Moore could make a blockbuster film up in Knox-Vegas (oops) guess its no longer "what happens here, stays here " lmfao

Posted by TnFarmer on February 23, 2008 at 7:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FAT FULMER is doing all of us wrong including Britt... They both need to go go go go.... Zero tolerance cant be used now cause Fat girl let him by too many times so the precedent has already been set. Hamilton though can still give his favorite girl her walking papers, but he too answers to a higher power.......MONEY. Worried about those booming hangtimes ! This very stance that she is taking for her punter may one day get someone hurt,maimed and/or killed and we can thank FAT FULMER for contributing. THANKS

Posted by croweman on February 23, 2008 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Guys get over it. It's easy to sit behind your computer and say you would do this or that when all you can do is say things that can only hurt the Vols when players read this. Most of you are writing to get rid of a coach that's not PERFECT so where is YOUR PERFECT coach that can replace a man that has 700% + winning %? Give the man a break, he's the coach of our Tennessee Vols and has done a great job. Let's see any of you do any better.

Posted by TnFarmer on February 23, 2008 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

crowe Dont want perfect just consistently on the right side of morality and lawfulness. That which PHATT PHIL is not and can not be for the love of money. Thank you and I approve this message.

Posted by FulmerStinks5and6 on February 23, 2008 at 11:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer speaks softly and carries way too light a stick. Response to Croweman: 700 winning % over his tenure is okay, but over the past 3 seasons he is a whopping 630%. Hey that's barely above mediocre! GREAT! Not to mention a 5-6 season! 5-6, hey let's give that man a PAY RAISE! John Cooper had a better winning percentage when he got canned, so did Ron Zook and neither of them had as many arrests as parole officer Fulmer has. This is why we are outraged or rather this is why we deserve to be outraged. We do not expect perfection, but we do, at UT have come to expect a certain level of play at our football program. And if this is it for you, if this is what you call acceptable then just move to Nashville, become a doctor and follow Vandy, because I WILL NOT SIT AROUND AND SEE THE EXPECTATIONS FOR A PREMIER FOOTBALL PROGRAM LOWERED TO MEDIOCRITY BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE STILL WANT TO LIVE ON WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PRIOR MILLENNIUM!!

Posted by TnFarmer on February 24, 2008 at 12:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

FulmerStinks Get em . Damn you said a mouthful, but consistent suspensions would also be nice to see. Ole saying "good for the goose is" so on an so on. Fulmer must feel some are more guilty than others. Guilty is guilty and i dont care how good PHATT PHIL can is at math.

Posted by tigermanic44 on February 24, 2008 at 12:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am looking at this issue from afar. I do not pretend to know the players as much as Fulmer does. I do know what the perception is. I could be a dope dealer, alcoholic, heroin addict and I might very well turn my life around. But my family will not trust me...unfairly but my past actions warrant criticism. It doesn't matter that Fulmer means well or in his mind has done the right thing unfortunately. Fulmer had early success and so raised expectations which are his downfall now. That is the reality. But the parents of recruits only know what they perceive wrong or right about the condition of the Vol program. Unfortunately athletes want to go to a team that is winning on and off the field. I feel it is a mistake for Fulmer to write a column trying to explain the good points. It is almost like a president of the university gives the coach a boost of support. Unless the Vols make strides on the field to the nth degree....wont matter what coach or anyone says. When a coach has been there for a considerable amount of time...the program has some down periods. Almost to the rule...a change is necessary just to bring in new life to the program. I think Fulmer wrote his own resignation with this column. When a coach feels like he has to defend...it makes some supporter feel unity but deep to the core they know a change is necessary. As an Auburn supporter....tubs went undefeated in 04 but it wont be enough if he falters with saban around. He will be gone as well. Fulmer should make the unselfish decision and do what is best for the program. He should step down but I feel like he thinks that another run is possible. Does the UT nation think so now....with the SEC getting more competitive?

Posted by invisiblekid on February 24, 2008 at 1:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm on vacation for a week and all hell breaks loose, doldrums indeed. It'd be interesting to know if Fulmer and Hamilton has spent as much time developing a new policy torward alcohol related incidents and what more they can do or provide to help these players as they have responding to the opinions of one columnist.

If they really wanted some positive PR regarding the situation, they would announce a change in tactics. It seems obvious what they are doing now doesn't seem to be getting through to a growing number of the players.

This argument, for lack of a better word, isn't about winning percentages, attendance, or the mythical SEC East title. It should be about what they can do better to keep these players from making potentially tragic mistakes and becoming better men and representatives of the University of Tennessee.

Posted by Indianavol on February 24, 2008 at 2:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by capstone4117 on February 23, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Indianavile,
I think im starting to like you.......nah
Currency and the overall record is all that matters in a series. The most current match up between our schools saw your viles get their ass kicked all over bds and we own the series. 41-17!!!
you know that Tennessee will never be or even come close to what Alabama is, was, or will be.
You guys are seriously proud of your coach for responding. I think it was a bad move. Maybe he's getting jump start on a new proffession."

One thing is certain crapstone, every time you post here, it proves what an idiot you are!

Posted by tenniskid on February 24, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have read the 2000 or so post on all the threads and it really amazes me the attitude of what I believe to be grown and mature adults. First and foremost, CPF is a classy individual who no one can deny his loyalty to the university. But the situation is simple;

1)Adams job is to write articles and OPIONIONS, not be a UT cheerleader. It is not his job to agree and spin all sports related issues to the university’s benefit.

2)There was an off-field incident involving a player that any reasonable person could have the perception he received preferential treatment due to either his position or family. This was the 5th incident and regardless of the timeframes, I do not believe any rational person could expect for a student athlete to get FIVE chances for serious team violations. Most people could easily expect a student to be expelled from the team for only ONE incident involving DUI AND hit and run.

3)Regardless of how many other universities have discipline problems, this issue is with the University of Tennessee.

4)Coach Fulmer and Mike Hamilton responding are only proof that the situation is serious. It only gave Adams and KNS credibility. Otherwise, they would have never given it any more thought than a posting on a thread.

So, when I read all these ridiculous postings; name calling, cancel your subscriptions, sue John Adams, boycott the advertisers…I just hope those are only zealous fans and not actual graduates of the university cause if they are…UT sports is not the only issue. Being a fan is one thing, being blind and close minded is another.
I will close with this and I have asked it before. Does anyone think this player would be on Bruce Pearl or Pat Summit’s team?

Posted by rayp on February 24, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Coach Fulmer is a great man and a great coach. I am proud to be a native Tennessean and a UT grad from 1979 and proud that Phillip Fulmer is the head of one of the most successful programs in the nation.

Many may criticise the fact Phil's longevity as a head coach inhibits his ability to innovate on the football field; maybe, but his years of experience can only aid him in providing him with the wisdom and insight on how to mentor the young men on our football team. Surely, John Adams should understand this.

I am looking forward to Tennessee winning confernce and national championships in men's basketball and football. Goals like these start with having great leaders and with have these with Coach Fulmer and Pearl.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 24, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is why kids come to and love coach fulmer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JF1-u...

Posted by Sauderman on February 24, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bruce nor Pat would not put up with the junk CPF has.

Posted by utmdm on February 24, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Capstone, We all say a big "AMEN" to not ever becoming was Alabama was, is, or will be. You bunch of losing 6-6 cheating morons!!!

Posted by utmdm on February 24, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Capstone, We all say a big "AMEN" to not ever becoming was Alabama was, is, or will be. You bunch of losing 6-6 cheating morons!!!

Posted by utmdm on February 24, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Capstone, We all say a big "AMEN" to not ever becoming what Alabama was, is, or will be. You bunch of losing 6-6 cheating morons!!!

Posted by blashlee on February 24, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

no one questions the committment and dedication Coach Fulmer feels he displays and professes in "mentoring and guiding" his players off the field. I, as a UT fan since my birth 45 years ago want to know why he continually recruits players that pretty much have a history of disciplinary problems in the first place! If he wants to be a fulltime mentor & father figure then leave the football field and join the classroom or Boy Scouts of America. However, if he wants to "coach", something I have not seen him do in most of his years on the hill, then he needs to recruits kids with the passion and dedication to be a Volunteer first, and a individual last! Fulmer's words are useless as a coach for his actions in maintaining discipline show his "mentoring" skills are below average at best!

Posted by pdhuff on February 24, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

utmdm- Sometimes you get proof that it takes all kinds. LOL

All are welcome.

Posted by wagee12 on February 24, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who wrote that for Big Heavy, someone in the Public Relations or Sports Information Dept. No way Fill penned that piece, some of the words simply are not in the mix of his volcabulary. So while Don Quixote Fill fights windmills and draws national attention to his plight instead of ignoring same, the magnificent Bruce Pearl continues to demonstrate just how much coaching, leading and inspiring young men has to do with success in college athletics. Could there be a more stark contrast in all of college sports than Pearl V. Fullmoor?

Posted by vol_in_lsu_land on February 24, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I love how people with no imagination, writing skills, or the ability to properly punctuate criticize this article and accuse Fulmer of not being the author. LMAO!!!

Posted by pdhuff on February 24, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Doldrums would be welcome about this time. No more blips on the radar, pls.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 24, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

its not only tennessee players, alabama had a player arrested this morning SECOND in a week, front page of the tennessean sports page and yahoo and alabama news paper this is whats said: Alabama safety Rashad Johnson was charged with disorderly conduct for allegedly knocking a security guard down at an off-campus bar early Saturday morning, Tuscaloosa police said. Johnson was arrested at 2:55 a.m. at the Legacy bar on the strip near Alabama’s campus, police spokesman Robert Fourt said in a statement Saturday. The 22-year-old Johnson was released on $500 bond shortly after being booked on the misdemeanor charge. Officers had spotted a disturbance outside the bar, which was closing, Fourt said. Legacy security personnel were escorting someone from the bar when Johnson allegedly attempted to intervene and pushed one of the security officers, who fell out the door and onto the ground. Johnson, a first-team All-Southeastern Conference pick, was arrested after a brief struggle, Fourt said. Additional officers from city and university police responded after a large crowd gathered, but no one else was arrested. A Tuscaloosa officer received a minor abrasion to his knee during the arrest, but did not require medical attention. Johnson, a former walk-on, led the Crimson Tide with 94 tackles and six interceptions as a junior. He finished in a three-way tie for the SEC lead in interceptions. He was selected a captain by his teammates after the season. It was the second arrest involving a Tide player in the past week. Defensive lineman Jeremy Elder was charged with two counts of first-degree robbery last Sunday night.

Posted by utmdm on February 24, 2008 at 7:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PD, We pray for the showers of doldrum.

Posted by rabidvolfan on February 24, 2008 at 8:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

THE KNS IS THE BEST PAPER IN AMERICA SIMPLY BECAUSE JOHN ADAMS IS THE BEST WRITER IN AMERICA. I ASK THAT EVERYONE BE ON STAND BY TO DONATE $50 TO KEEP JOHN ADAMS WHEN SOMEONE LIKE THE USA TODAY OR A MAJOR MAGAZINE HIRES THIS MAN OUT FROM UNDER US. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN OFFER JOHN A COMPETITIVE SALARY! THIS WAS A VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE!

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 24, 2008 at 9:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

adams is a CHRIS LOW WANTABE!!!!!! and kns would be a better paper WITHOUT HIM!!!!

Posted by ect1983 on February 24, 2008 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To Tigermaniac and Tenniskid----Two of the most well written rational posts...The "threatening"by some to boycott KNS and advertisers is laughable...To remind some of you youngsters out there....

Tom Siler, the most well-respected sports columnist the Sentinel ever had, led the charge to rid of Bowden Wyatt. Bill Battle, was run out of town by Marvin West HAVING NEVER HAVING A LOSING RECORD with a winning % over .720 in seven years....he also had bowl victories in the Sugar, Bluebonnet,and Liberty (twice) bowls..5 bowl games in 6 years.... Battle, like Fulmer was and is classy.BUT, HE NEEDED TO GO.
Again, if we get our butts kicked by the conference elite, are all you defenders still going 2 want to keep Phil ?
A UNC buddy of mine (ex football player) thought UT fans were being hard on Phil, so I posed a scenario to him:
Pretend the Heels,in BB, were favored to win the NC in 2005, but went 15-16, and no tourney (ala UT in 2005 football)...Would you fire Roy Williams...Answer..NO. Now, the next year, you go 18-12 (our 8-4 in 2006), and you got pasted by an inferior team and looked like u slept walked thru your horrible NIT loss (see loss to PSU in Outback)...Then What About Roy ?---Answer, Roy Boy would be gone. OUR A.D. GIVES PHUL PHILMER AN EXTENSION FOR GOD's SAKE....Then we go 9-4, same crappy bowl AND HE GETS A RAISE !!!! Am I missing something....not even including the ridiculous off field shenanigans (think the players will be united with all the "equal" treatment) ?
WE HAVE, AND I USE THE TERM WE LOOSELY, HAVE BECOME SATISFIED WITH AN AVERAGE AT BEST PRODUCT THAT IS INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE, AND @ WORST IS NOT ENTERTAINING.
A loss to Vandy 2 yrs ago , and a field goal hitting an upright separating us from another 'Dore defeat speaks volumes.
Phul is a nice guy, loves the money (so would I ...but average doesn't cut it for his pay). But if one looks at the divided Orange nation (that I think will be totally polarized mid-season,if not already), the lack of dicsipline, the slow tortuous slide into mediocrity by our lofty standards,and the acceptance of the same by half our fans...well, all I can say is keep it coming John , because for a coach and AD to respond to your column tells me you are onto something

Posted by goldengate on February 25, 2008 at 4:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The "slow tortuous slide into mediocrity by our lofty standards", as some might call it, deserves a closer look.

Do we compare Fulmer's 1990's record with his 2000's record? OK, in the 90's his teams averaged 10 wins/season. In the 00's, his teams have averaged 9 wins/ season. Not as good, but mediocre? No.

In the 90's, Fulmer's teams played in two SECCG's and came home with two SEC titles and a NatChamp. In the 00's, Fulmer has taken his teams to 3 SECCG's and has lost all three. Obviously, a team and it's fans would prefer winning the championships. But is taking your team to your conference's championship game 43% of the time during a decade mediocre? Get real.

If anything, Fulmer is a victim of his early hyper-success. No, his teams of the new millenium haven't brought home a NatChamp or SEC championship. His 05 team had a losing record. But each season since then has shown improvement.

There is no "slide into mediocrity", and the loftiest standards this university's teams have EVER experienced have been under the tutelage of Bob Neyland and Phil Fulmer. You folks would do well to remember that.

Posted by bkmarler on February 25, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Coach Fulmer, we are fortunate that our coach has your integrity and wisdom. Thanks for all you do.

Posted by sjt18 on February 25, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ect1983, Just because people believe CPF should be given the opportunity to continue to improve does not mean they accept anything akin to mediocrity.

FTR, JA has a right to write whateve he wants. OTOH, his article was so devoid of journalistic integrity that he should be fired for it. He was either dishonest, negligent, or both.

Posted by VolnDothan on February 25, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey coach great job.

Here's ANOTHER flattering article on you and MY alma mater... http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/sto...

I hope all the idiots who blindly support you come to terms with reality and drop the "man-crushes" they have on you...

Posted by sjt18 on February 25, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So anyone who disagrees with you is a blind idiot with a mancrush on CPF?

I don't think so...

Posted by VolnDothan on February 25, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry to insult you sjt18, but WE have serious issue on the hill and it really bugs me. Man, look at the facts! I don't understand why so many people defend Coach Fulmer under ALL circumstances. I've met Fulmer on many occasions and have played a couple holes of golf with him during the Big Orange Cavavan in Birmingham. I really like him, honesty. I'm proud of his record and accomplishments BUT it seems like the wheels have come off our program.

Are we attracting athletes that lack moral apptitude? Athletes that other schools don't want for that reason? Tennessee players have had serious issues over the last 10 years. The common denominator? Fulmer, Chavis, Cutcliffe, Sanders. Two are gone two are still there...and the issues remain.

I'd like to be able to brag on our football program again instead of defending it every couple of days...

Posted by sjt18 on February 25, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

VolnDothan, it isn't a problem unique to UT.

If CPF and MH weren't doing the right things then it would have been much easier for them to quietly sweep Davis' and Wardlow's offenses under the rug... they didn't. In spite of a pretty rough month, they cut those guys loose.

I would speculate to some small extent UT may be getting kids that are passed over by their home state schools due to inside knowledge about their character. Until Tenn HS FB produces more homegrown talent, that will more than likely be the nature of the beast regardless of who the coach is. The UT HC will have to take risks to get the more highly rated players.

But even the home state schools aren't immune to the problems.

If you are willing to just take kids that you KNOW have no character concerns then are you patient enough to lose with them? BYU would not compete in the SEC.

I AM looking at the facts and that's why I'm not panicking or becoming shrill. UT had some guys do stupid things... and punished them to include taking 3 scholarships and kicking two guys off the team.

During this same time period, LSU, Bama, USC, and UGA all had high profile problems of their own... and maybe others.

I am not excusing the behavior at all. However all the coach can be responsible for is providing leadership, education, warnings, access to help, and then punishing the violators in a consistent way. These things appear to be getting done.

Posted by sjt18 on February 25, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

VolnDothan, Check around with those who are badgering you and claiming CPF is running a rogue program.

Which other SEC coaches have dismissed players the caliber of Fellows, Coker, Davis, and Wardlow within the last year?

If there were any questions in the players' minds about discipline... shouldn't they be answered by now?

Even if the players didn't respect CPF, they have more than enough reason to fear him by now.

IMO, the policies need to be tightened but the appearance is that CPF is enforcing them.

BTW, I've posted my criticisms of CPF and given reasons for them. I've objected to criticisms like this one that fact, objectivity, and reason don't support.

Posted by waterskier3 on February 25, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

piss.... the contenders are under BB... who cares about fulmer right now....

as vols fans lets enjoy this ride and guess what we might just actually be SEC champions of something other than the so called east........... its a great time to be a vol with march coming up.....LETS ENJOY because this fall could be rough..........

Posted by tngeoff on February 25, 2008 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

VolnDothan.

Wow. What a column. I think it was probably John Adams who paid him to run it. You know. John Adams and about "5 or 6" guys that post here are the only ones who see things "out of context." The ones deemed, "haters, whiners, complainers, negative...et al ad nauseum." Can't you READ all the glowing testimonials. The "true Vols" have plainly stated their case and no CBS moron is gonna' spoil the picture with a very clear agenda. He hates Phil Fulmer and always has...they wikll say. He is John Adams friend will be another. So P L E A S E. Stop with the truth. Remember...it was deemed, "laughable" that Coach Fulmer isn't antying up anymore and everything is fine. Remember...nothing is worng.

Posted by tngeoff on February 25, 2008 at 8:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is the column that was posted today that VolnDothan was referring to at CBS Sports:

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/sto...

Posted by pdhuff on February 25, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff 8:37 this makes Adams tidbit look like Ned in the first reader. Every Vol fan should read this. And then read it again. See what the nation thinks of Phil's ship sailing under his command. Look at what's really happening. Wow.

Posted by tngeoff on February 25, 2008 at 9:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff.

Football doldrums has evolved into a time of waiting for the next arrest or dismissal, or wait for another National article proclaiming the "new Miami" like status our once proud University and Head Football Coach have fouind. Or, simply wait to watch anyone who dares criticize Coach Fulmer get attacked by those who remain unseeing. It is a strange waiting game indeed. No Beagle is safe tonight after this newest column. Be sure not to save it though. That would be idiotic. It is mist and will pass...like gas. By the way...that passing gas is really causing global warming. Especially the cows. Their methane emmission levels are apparently something that could be harnessed and militarized.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RGc9comHypk

and

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vc0MJeZPeh4

Nothing is worng.

Posted by dfreeman on February 25, 2008 at 9:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff - "And the players aren't committing just low-level misdemeanors. It's bad stuff. Stuff that makes Tennessee a recruiting ground for the Tony Soprano crime family." - Mike Freeman CBS Sports.

Remind me where in the hell any of our players were charged with federal or felony charges?? You can't because they don't exist! Colquitts DUI and leaving the scene may be, but no one else THIS year has been! Meanwhile, Ryan P. was a person of interest in a felony counterfeiting case!! He is now suspended for the 3rd time in 10 months on gambling charges! How about Alabama's defensive lineman for felony strong armed robbery? Illinois has had as many as we have and Missouri has had 14 arrests!! Indiana had 5 suspended on the same freaking day!! This Article called us (AS A FREAKING PROGRAM ON WHOLE) out! This guy obviously has an axe to grind with us! Recruiting ground for the Sopranos?? Not even close! Does Fulmer need to do something different?? Yes, but to even reference that article and its contents are absolutely rediculous!! I normally don't have a problem with anything you post, but that article was just freaking stupid!! CBS by the way is ESPN as well, that's why that article singled us out!! This S#%T get's old!! Again I just remembered why I hadn't posted in freaking 4 days!! Too much BS on it!!

Posted by dfreeman on February 25, 2008 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff - That's the worst freaking article I have ever read! The quote below from that article is about the dumbest quote from that article!

"And the players aren't committing just low-level misdemeanors. It's bad stuff. Stuff that makes Tennessee a recruiting ground for the Tony Soprano crime family." Mike Freeman CBS

He writes this article as though every player and every incident warrants a trip to Brushy Mtn! He could be the dumbest effing person on the planet! NONE, and I mean NONE of our players were even close to committing anything like the Alabubba moron arrested on FELONY STRONG ARMED ROBBERY! tngeoff does that last line need to be read back to you again... FELONY STRONG ARMED ROBBERY! You could take every problem we have had on campus and NONE of them would equal that gem!! How about Ryan P at LSU?? Third time suspended in 10 months?? He was even a person of interest in a counterfeiting ring!! Are you kidding me?? Let's just try (if that's possible) to keep this down to freaking Earth shall we?? That's rediculous!!

Posted by tngeoff on February 25, 2008 at 10:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."
John F. Kennedy

pdhuff.

The doldrums have evolved. These days are now filled with an expectation that a new article, column or revelation that is detrimental to our once proud Football Tradition is enevitable. After that thunderous National column at CBS today I guess we will have to watch the unseeing attack that guy too. I wonder if KNS will post it on here. Hide the Baegles because no Beagle is safe today. This to will pass like mist. Mist is like gas as it passes. Speaking of passed gas...our poor ozone. Bovines release such potent methane gas that it has been deemed a threat to our existence. There must be someone who can create a process to capture it and perhaps even elevate it to weapons grade. Alas, I digress.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vc0MJeZPeh4

Face it...Tennessee really has become a Basketball School.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RGc9comHypk

And...what shall the 'morrow bring? Another arrest? Another dismissal? Another scandal? Another column about the state of Tennessee football? An NCAA investigation? The possiblities are mind boggling. Thanks be to Bruce Pearl. Stay the course. Nothing is worng.

Posted by tngeoff on February 25, 2008 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well. I didn't see my post so I recreated it. KNS is posting slow. Sorry about the facsimile post.

dfreeman.

Are you saying that Adams and CBS are in cahoots?

Posted by tngeoff on February 25, 2008 at 10:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey. I didn't write that NATIONAL article about the state of Tennessee football. It's got zilch to do with me. The guy wrote it. It's right on the heels of Adams columnn. Expect more. I detect a frenzy.

Posted by dfreeman on February 25, 2008 at 11:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff - yeah, I didn't see mine either! So I redid mine! I'm sorry if that seemed rude. I have been frustrated with some of the outlandish BS in local and national print!! First, the sole problem I had with Adams article was that he included the deaths of those people by little and goodrich! He basically indirectly held Fulmer responsible for that!! I know he said otherwise right after, but the lack of professional integrity he displayed by even mentioning those two incidents is incredible!! It was done on purpose and did its damage!! Not to mention that he was on our rivals radio stations adding fuel to the flame!! Then you have this gem (Mike Freeman) from CBS (ESPN) equating the program to the Sopranos?? How dare someone in National print equate our program to the Mafia real or make believe!! Again, name one of our players incidents that came close to the stupid moron that was arrested for felony strong armed robbery (Alabama Defensive Lineman) and yet we're the Sopranos!! He's an idiot!!

Posted by tngeoff on February 26, 2008 at 6:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dfreeman.

No problem. It was kind of weird how those posts were so slow...and then I just thought I must have failed to click, "post." Anyway. We are all frustrated...that's for sure. As I watch the Men's Basketball team it reminds of the days...even under Fulmer when I used to feel like that with the sport I love most. Tennessee football. As for Adams, I have no problem with him writing a column that expressed his sentiment, but I agree with you 100% that there were a few things that were not necessary and not relevant to the basic theme. The deaths, in my opinion were poor judgement. However, we all need to buckle our seat belts, because I believe this wave is buiding and will become psunami like before it's all said and done and the true cost to Tennessee football can truly be evaluated.

Posted by wr23 on February 26, 2008 at 6:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

foolmer you suck.

Posted by General_Fritter on February 26, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wr23 - But he won a National Championship in 98!!!!

Posted by GerryOP on February 26, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. All is well.

Posted by tngeoff on February 26, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://loserswithsocks.com/2008/01/15...

Posted by tngeoff on February 26, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.jaredbridges.net/archives/...

Posted by pdhuff on February 26, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dfreeman 11:25 pm Looks like ol' Adams got the ball rolling. This is why I said Fulmer cannot respond to these guys. It a no-win, no-brainer. Gasoline does not put out a fire. They want his head.

I believe they charged the Bama DT with felony stupidity.

Posted by sjt18 on February 26, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Does anyone else wonder why Freeman and Adams are so lazy that they are spending their time condemning a program that is publicly enforcing its discipline policies?

Shouldn't "journalists" be investigating and attempting dig out problems that are being covered up?

How is it when a coach applies the policy... his team is compared to the Sopranos?

I am really surprised by some of you guys... even though you are sometimes negative (you call yourselves realists)... I thought you were smarter than this. Proverbs 27:5 comes to mind...

Posted by GerryOP on February 26, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't guess that you guys would accept that Adams and Freeman are simply reporting the news as they see it? How many of these blasts would it take for you to accept that something is wrong? How many "journalists" have come out with articles to contradict Adams and Freeman?

Posted by sjt18 on February 26, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No. Neither claims to be reporting the news. These are opinion pieces... and they still have an obligation to be fair and to not manipulate the facts to fit a predetermined conclusion.

There is no valid "the way they see it" concerning CPF's responsibility for past players. It isn't "opinion" that caused Adams to ignore the fact that CPF has dismissed 4 valuable players while he was making the argument that Fulmer bases punishments on a player's value to the team.

What precisely do you think is "wrong" concerning these discipline issues Gerry? Players are breaking the rules and being punished in the light of day according to the policies of UT's AD. UT has systems to help players before they get in trouble and are probably working to enhance them.

Finally, since when is accuracy and integrity a matter of popular consensus. Which of you has refuted my contentions about Adam's article? Most have agreed that the past players stuff was pure non-sense and clearly unfair.

Probably 1/3 of his case against CPF was based on what past players had done after leaving... that nullifies his entire argument by itself. If he still had any credibility, he would need to edit that article to omit those references then add the fact that CPF's response to Fellows, Coker, Wardlow, and Davis WAS NOT SWIFT AND SOFT. He took the final step in the discipline policy by dismissing them from the program. All 4 were contributors and/or starters demonstrating categorically that Adam's accusation "Answer: Colquitt is a starter" is a LIE.

Conclusions built on false arguments cannot be trusted. When a responsible person like Adams does such things... they should face real consequences.

Posted by snowvol on February 26, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From Andy: "Phillip Fulmer has a better winning percentage than Bear Bryant......"

With all due respect, you truly need to take a view that offers you a bit more clarity when you begin implying Phillip Fulmer is somehow a better coach than was Bear Bryant. I loathe Alabama, but for Heaven's sake Andy, come out of the orange beach hut, even for a few minutes, to do a bit more research on a Fulmer-Bear comparison.

And all the flap about John Adams . . . his article was his opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. And I agree completely with him. Living well outside Knoxville, it's a shame more Vols fans within earshot of Neyland don't see how the UT football program is now viewed. We are a laughingstock and a growing embarrassment.

I don't care what the name of the coach is when things like this become more the norm than the exception -- with the amount of arrests and ill-advised behavior running rampant in this program, it's time for a change in leadership.

I appreciate Fulmer's loyalty to UT as much as anyone and I know him to be a fine man, husband and father. But juxtaposing the terrible off-the-field record of his players with the reality -- the reality -- of what UT football has NOT done since 1998, the time has come.

Posted by GerryOP on February 26, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt, yup, you got me! I realized after I posted it that my first sentence was spurious!

"What precisely do you think is "wrong" concerning these discipline issues..." Simple, too many too often. And, as I posted elsewhere, we went down this road before and ended up 5-6. Fool me once.....

If Fulmer is being so wrongly accused, why has no one except Hamilton come out in public in his defense?

Posted by farleydc on February 26, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am never one to be happy about someone losing their job or about asking that someone lose their job. However, the time has come for Fulmer to go.

He has largely lost control of his players. As much as I love UT football, the players are here to go to school and live in the Knoxville community as well.

They have not been good citizens. For Colquitt not to have been dismissed from the team after 5 alcohol related offenses is rediculous. I think that if, those who have called for Adams to fired had themselves had a loved one hit by Colquitt while he was drunk driving, they would feel differently.

There is no excuse. Fulmer should go and the people of Knoxville should thank Mr. Adams for having the integrity to write about the subject.

Posted by sjt18 on February 26, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

farley, I think Colquitt should have been gone. My guess and it is only a guess is that the fact that his 5th offense followed his 4th offense by almost 4 years played into the decision regarding his punishment.

Lost control? If he were sitting idly by then I'd agree. But 3 of the 7 scholarship players that have been in trouble are no longer on scholarship. Two are gone. All of the players involved have been dealt with according to policy... you can tell because they release a "canned" statement when they get in trouble.

Posted by sjt18 on February 26, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For the naysayers, why was Gerald Jones apology so weighted toward CPF if the players have no respect for him?

Gerry, that's a partial answer to your last question.

But, who would you expect other than MH? Most were surprised he did. Any media member that did so would be taking a professional risk of becoming a pariah and also of being mocked as a "mouthpiece" right away. Adams is probably in the mgt structure for most of the KNS writers... they aren't going to argue with him publicly.

Players? The past players already made a statement... Would it look right for them to repeat that? Is it necessary?

There is no way the current players are going to make a statement. I would imagine that MH's comments were in lieu of separate statements by the coaches or staff.

Who in your opinion should be speaking up that isn't?

Posted by coachgarrett on February 26, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As a former coach and education administrator, I know that the easiest punishment is to get rid of a player. The educator must, however, take much into consideration including the future of the individual and the other players on the team. My experience was on the high school and middle school level and many times when people thought nothing was being done, a great deal of time, counseling, and punishment was administered without making the deliberations or the outcome public. It is easy to sit on the sidelines and make judgments, but when you are the judge, a lot goes through your mind, not the least of which is you honestly want to treat those in your charge as you would your own children. I cannot think of anyone I would want to make those decisions and represent me as a graduate of UT than Coach Fulmer.
coachgarrett@comcast.net

Posted by dfreeman on February 26, 2008 at 7:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Andy - Here's some medicine for ya!!

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/78...

Pot calling kettle black?? If you'd spend less time on our board and worry about your own team you wouldn't be running that mouth would ya?? At least the trouble makers we had went 10-4!! Your Cons went 7-6!! LOL

Posted by dfreeman on February 26, 2008 at 7:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My bad Andy, I didn't read an earlier post right!! That last comment was directed toward the Bammer nation!! LOL Sorry bout that!!

Posted by pdhuff on February 26, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What would be interesting to some (me, too) would be a serious seperating of the wheat from the chaff rating of problems?

A true Fulmer cup of misdemeanors say 5 points- felony 10 pts , waving arms 1 pt, hitting a stump 1/2 point, I digress.

Would we still have the lead?

Posted by GerryOP on February 26, 2008 at 7:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt, all I was trying to say was that surely Fulmer/Hamilton/UT has cultivated a columnist someplace that would come to the support of Fulmer ... if, indeed, the criticism handed out by Adams is unfair? Yet we see no one!

I think we would all agree that one thing Fulmer/Hamilton/UT could do is hire a PR specialist that is going to do more than mimic the "poor Phil" and "everything is wonderful" themes.

Posted by sjt18 on February 27, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If I hired a PR firm, I would want the opposite strategy. I'd want to make JA look as pathetic as possible by selling the positive perspective about CPF's career.

The only time you are going to see that kind of advocacy in the media is when they are dealing with an elected Democrat or Urban Meyer. Very seldom do they ever defend or promote someone perceived to have power.

Posted by pdhuff on February 27, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

coaches 1st job is....column, R.I.P.

Posted by MadMax on February 28, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is an email I sent to John Adams. I have yet to receive a reply, but I thought I would share it with everyone else.

Dear Mr. Adams
I live in B'ham and listen to you on WNML over the internet and read your columns in the KNS. Over the weekend I heard a clip from an interview you did this last week on WJOX here in B'ham. It was in reference to your recent article about Fulmer and his lack of discipline and how the players at Alabama might cross the line but fear of Saban would make them regret it. Although I didn't hear the entire interview, I believe I got the facts correct. I just thought you might want to make yourself aware of the problems Saban has incurred over the last 6 months and the fear he has instilled on his players with his discipline.

August
Brandon Fanney - Arrested disorderly conduct, alcohol related
Roy Upchurch - Arrested disorderly conduct, alcohol related
Brandon Daedrick - Arrested disorderly conduct, alcohol related
Simeon Castille (team captain and leader) - Arrested disorderly conduct, alcohol related
Prince Hall - Suspended (reportedly for positive drug test not verified)
Keith Brown - Suspended (reportedly for positive drug test not verified)
October
Antoine Caldwell - Text Book Fraud
Marion Davis - Text Book Fraud
Glenn Coffee - Text Book Fraud
Marquis Johnson - Text Book Fraud
Chris Rogers - Text Book Fraud
November
D J Hall - unspecified violation of team rules, Suspended for 1 game but reduced to a half, when Bama was tied at halftime of La. Monroe game.
December
Thomas Darrah - Arrested for Assault
Jacob Fane - Arrested for Assault
February
Jeremy Elder - Arrested on 2 counts of 1st armed robbery
Rashed Johnson (team captain) - Arrested disorderly conduct and assault (Saturday morning Feb. 23)
Today
Prince Hall suspended a second time for violation of team rules.

Posted by posivol on February 28, 2008 at 10:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was bored yesterday, so I did some research. Considering the BCS is now 10 years old, I put together some numbers for the SEC over the last 10 years. Georgia has the most wins (97) over that stretch, followed by Florida (93), Tennessee (93), and LSU (89). Those 4 teams would be the "first tier" of the SEC. Auburn (83) almost makes it, but they had one great season (2004). LSU has a solid lead in championships, with 4 divisional titles, 3 SEC titles, and 2 BCS national titles. Tennessee ties LSU for divisional titles with 4. Every team in the West has finished a season with at least a share of first place. In the East, only Georgia, Florida, and Tennesse have finished first. There have been 5 outright East champions, and some combination of the 3 teams tied 5 times. There have been only 3 outright West champions (not including Alabama in 2002, when they were disqualified). Since 2001, LSU has won the West every other year (in odd-numbered years).I know these numbers don't mean much, but there they are. In the last 10 years, only 2 SEC teams have gone unbeaten--Tennessee in 1998, Auburn in 2004.

Posted by pdhuff on February 29, 2008 at 6:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Doldrums.

Posted by sjt18 on February 29, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nicely done Madmax. Can you cite a source for those things or did you research it on your own?

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 29, 2008 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Climer in the tennessean today: Certainly, I've been critical of Fulmer in the past. It's safe to say we've agreed to disagree on a number of matters. But you have to draw the line somewhere. We can be critics, but should be fair.
Adams dredged up issues involving ex-Vols Dwayne Goodrich, Leonard Little, Jamal Lewis, Travis Henry and Albert Haynesworth, all in the NFL at the time of various indiscretions. Haynesworth was a fifth-year pro when he stomped on Cowboys center Andre Gurode's head. Is that Fulmer's fault? No. Anyway, I guess we've come full circle. For years, columnists have thought we were coaches. Now coaches think they're columnists.

Posted by VolBallFan on May 12, 2008 at 1:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You should share your wisdom with Baseball Coach (that's a euphemism) Todd Raleigh. If our UT baseball players acted like him they'd all end up in jail. The guy is a Class-A loser and deserves nothing more a hard landing when he's kicked out on the street for being such a colossal looser. Our only hope is that he'll pack his stuff and go back to Carolina and not screw up Knoxville any more than he already has.