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Defense proud of stand against offense in Tennessee Drill

By Drew Edwards (Contact)
Originally published 10:17 p.m., August 6, 2008
Updated 10:17 p.m., August 6, 2008

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One-and-done didn't sit too well with Demonte' Bolden.

As a senior, the defensive tackle only had to go one-on-one with offensive linemen once in the traditional Tennessee Drill.

But with his teammates and coaches circled around, Bolden couldn't abide his first performance.

On his second chance, he delivered one of the highlights of Wednesday's first practice in pads and helped set the tone for his fellow defensive linemen.

"Demonte's the strongest D-tackle, and Jacques's (McClendon) the strongest offensive guard," said defensive tackle Dan Williams. "It's fun to see, fun to watch every time."

This time, Bolden emerged as the victor against his fellow Chattanooga native, to hoots and hollers from a fired-up defense.

All told, Wednesday was a pretty good day for Tennessee's defensive line, and tackles in particular.

Walter Fisher, Victor Thomas, Bolden and Williams all made their share of plays, much to the delight of linebacker Rico McCoy.

"Those guys were fighting hard," McCoy said. "It's a pride thing. The media talks about the defense all the time, the D-tackles and the linebackers. We have stuff to prove. We have to become a better unit. Guys were working on that today in the board drill."

And showing off a bit, too.

Aside from the roars - and backslaps -that went up every time a defensive player bettered his offensive counterpart, UT's defensive linemen showed improvement from last season.

Williams said it was particularly evident in the way defensive linemen used their hands.

"I think it's showing early that we've improved on our hands versus those big strong offensive linemen we have," he said.

Bolden also said those same offensive linemen have helped UT's defensive linemen get better during spring practice and fall camp.

"Like they say, I think we've got the best O-line in the SEC," Bolden said. "We only gave up four sacks last year. In order for the defense to get better, we've got to play the best."

Victor Thomas impressed Bolden, and Williams pointed to Thomas, Donald Langley and Chase Nelson as having made strides in the offseason.

And while Nelson was slowed with a sprained knee, Williams is still pleased with his fellow tackles' efforts.

"You can really tell a difference," Williams said. "Guys are firing off the ball, holding their own. Last year, a couple times big Ramon (Foster) or Jacques McClendon would throw them off the line. They're holding their own now. They're not there yet, but they've shown they're willing to help the team out this year."

That's a good sign for the Vols, who still lack depth behind behind Bolden, Williams and Fisher.

UT coach Phillip Fulmer said he would like to play five tackles and five ends this fall.

But for all the excitement Wednesday's first day in full pads provided, the novelty of full contact is all but over. And Saturday's first major preseason scrimmage is the next big step.

"The excitement is out of the way for the most part," McCoy said. "Now you can work on the basics, the techniques of every position. You can focus on the things that really add up."

Drew Edwards covers University of Tennessee football. He may be reached at 865-342-6274.

© 2008, Knoxville News Sentinel Co.

       168 Comments

Posted by rockytopjeff on August 6, 2008 at 10:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think we have a hunger we have been missing for a long time, I have a good feeling about this year guys!!!

Posted by Jamey1210 on August 6, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just wanted to be 1st once. But I did read the article before I Posted.

http://www.utsports.com/football/arti...
here is another article on today's practice.

Posted by smokey90 on August 6, 2008 at 10:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Go D! Be sure no one gets hurt. Especially before the season. I know we are thin, but they are very motivated, which is exciting. Go Vols, no matter what you are my team.

Posted by Jamey1210 on August 6, 2008 at 10:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What I love about this team is it sounds like the Offense and defense get along. You can have a great competition with your friends. To me the last few years Sr's did not talk to freshman and Defense did not talk to offense. I think we have the team concept with a true goal this year. I am not saying we will go undefeated but will say I am already more proud of this team than I have been since the 98 NC's. Alot to say but while reading I think they have a maturity that I have not seen in a while. I think that we our fortunate to have leaders that are good people this year. We will see. Go vols.

Posted by gobigorange on August 6, 2008 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Offense wins games ; Defense wins championships

Posted by gobigorange on August 6, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TommyJack was questioning my typing skills earlier just wanted to let him know i had a abroken arm and just got the cast off yesterday. It is hard to type one handed. GO VOLS!

Posted by BAMABLOWS on August 6, 2008 at 10:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

well said jamey

Posted by AlWilson on August 6, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SHHHHH! Accordind to the media we are the third best team in the east. I'm loving the fact that we aren't getting any respect and we are just going about our business. Almost time to break some hearts in Gainesville & Athens.

Posted by Colliervol on August 6, 2008 at 10:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

With all due respect to Demonte, I'm tired of hearing him talk it. I want to see him walk it. On every play. Time to stand up and be the player everybody thought he was when he came out of high school.

Posted by TommyJack on August 6, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gobigorange: I did? Sorry. Glad you're better.

Posted by pdhuff on August 6, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

McCoy - "We have stuff to prove".

Preach on , brotherman, make the heathern believe! Show us that the road to the Grail (SEC Champs) can be re-opened after many, many years of not making the grade.

We await, along with the Bruins.

Posted by xvolx on August 6, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

this is the same defense that gave up 18 points to the #2 offense in the spring. that wont cut it in the sec. i will have to see better results than that.

Posted by gobigorange on August 6, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not a problem TJ. THNX!

Posted by Bigger_Al on August 6, 2008 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How many of us wish that Robert Ayers could have squashed "Tuscaloosa John" Adams in the Tennessee Drill?

Sweeter than Sugar!

Posted by burntorangeVOLffle on August 6, 2008 at 11:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

xvolx, if you are refering to the O&W game you do realize they played very vanilla defense (no blitzing and such) in that game so the fans couls get a taste of the new offense.

I dont expect the D to be great but if they can be above average and the O picks up quick, we could be in store for a good year.

Posted by gnm53108 on August 6, 2008 at 11:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh man,where to start.
Love the article.If this defense can get back to Tennessee standards,this year is gonna rock!We made the SECCG last year with,how do you put it pd,Subpar?
Amen gobigorange @1035.We can get to the Grail game(hope you dont mind,borrowed that pd)without steller defense but couldn't bring it home.This defense is looking awfully good.Love the attitude.
Where's them Bruins.

Posted by 4114 on August 6, 2008 at 11:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gnm53108...Are you "brewing" any of the frost brewed orange-aid yet? Because them other bruins are in for some serious a** whuppin's from the men in Knoxville.

Posted by gnm53108 on August 6, 2008 at 11:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

4114...Oh yea.Will have plenty on hand Sept 1.

Posted by alavol on August 6, 2008 at 11:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

all I got to ask is beat Bama! Then all will be good south of the border. you guys are too positive. Be critial, keep your mouth shut and talk on the field. Agree, Bolden needs to show his stuff on the field. Congrats on his academics, though. Rest of you guys with grade trouble, listen to the coaches and study hard. Go Vols!

Posted by xvolx on August 7, 2008 at 12:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

burntorange. I know what I saw. the d linemen could not get off a block. the lb s arm tackled. I have seen too many leads blown with the mustang defense. chavis needs to bring more to the table. these men are not ready for fla.. georgia doesnt impress me just because they beat the rainbow team from the big island. I will believe in them when they beat fla.

Posted by VolFanInAtl on August 7, 2008 at 2 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow this is pretty detailed coverage. Do other teams get this kind of coverage? I almost feel like I'm there.

Posted by RichRollin on August 7, 2008 at 5:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Xvolx, I know what I saw and it must have been a different game. The O/W game I saw had the 2nd string O with 3 points at halftime. Not to mention that they could not hit the QB. If they could have then Wes Brown would have had 2/3 sacks and who knows how many caused fumbles on QB, or ints from hitting QB while throwing. This is REALLY,REALLY good news guys.

Posted by General_Watermelon on August 7, 2008 at 6:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RichRollin - you and I saw the same game and the pass rush from the defensive ends was not only there but pretty good as well. The defense was vanilla as usual. I thought the ends actually looked really good against the backup OT's in the Spring Game. Not sure how they graded out, but nothing to write home about by the defensive tackles in the Spring Game.

Posted by b_neas on August 7, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If the DL can get a little pressure on the QB on their own and keep the other teams running game honest, this team will far excel 3rd in the east.

Posted by SemperVol on August 7, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Glad to see the unit caring about each other's performance. That will go a long way.

To me, it seems like if the defensive line can get pressure like we did ten years ago, and this years secondary are as successful as they've been touted, then that makes linebackers a less integral part of the defense. If a defense truly is dominant, the linebackers are the least essential unit. This leaves them free to run around wild and bust some skulls with reckless abandon like Al Wilson was able to do. Too much here in the recent past our linebackers were expected to handle the run game but were undersized to do so.

All this to say, I'm very excited. I want bear meat.

Posted by tngeoff on August 7, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds great mostly...except for Faison...sorry to hear about his departure. Now...the problem I saw last year with Bolden was that he was a quitter. That can't be measured in a scrimmage or seemingly promising temporary actions or words. He needs to give up everything every down this year or he'll end up a bust that had great promise. Nobody thinks he's better than he does...but reality and fantasy are two strikingly different matters. You can't play one good game and run your mouth about everybody else. You need to prove yourself every down every game. The reputation of being a quitter cannot and will not be changed until the season is complete. A couple of good games and then one quitting incident and the notion of beinbg a quitter is strengthened. Quitting is a character flaw. Character flaws are strongly seated and can be disguised...but not changed without radical remedy. I think our offense will be stellar and the majority of players on defense will too. Bolden is a key barometer for success potential. More rides on his performance than he realizes.

"Winners never quit and quitters never win."
Vince Lombardi

Posted by Vol13 on August 7, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yawn. Same rah-rah BS we hear every year about this time.

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ok.....

time to get y'all talking......

some predictions for the coming year.

in the revenge is sweet category....

tennessee over alabama
auburn over lsu
florida over georgia
georgia over tennessee

in the revenge is unsweet category

florida over tennessee
georgia over auburn
auburn over alabama

games of the week...winner in ()

1. alabama-clemson (clemson), tennessee-ucla (tenn)
2. florida-miami (fl), ole miss-wake forest (miss)
3. georgia-south carolina (ga), arkansas-texas (texas)
4. fl-tenn (fl), georgia-az state (az state), auburn-lsu (auburn)
5. auburn-tenn (auburn), georgia-bama (georgia)
6. (none....horrible week)
7. georgia-tenn (georgia), fl-lsu (fl)
8. (none.....another horrible week)
9. georgia-lsu (lsu), auburn-west virginia (wvu), tenn-bama (tenn)
10. florida-georgia (fl)
11. bama-lsu (lsu)
12. auburn-georgia (georgia)
13. none (the last horrible week)
14. bama-auburn (auburn), fl-fl state (fl), carolina-clemson (clemson), ga-ga tech (ga)

more to come.......

Posted by Greyback_Vol on August 7, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm really hoping this D-line will be improved this year. So far it's been positive news, which get me excited.

With all the experience the Gators have on their o-line, Sept. 20 will be the real measuring stick.

Posted by TurboFan on August 7, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99, like some on here need a reason to blather.

Tngeoff, do you suspect Bolden was the one that told a UF player he wasn't going to rush on a extra point attempt? If'n its true, that is.

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

expectations or goals for the coming season (IMO)

florida- sec title, possible national title
georgia- sec title, possible national title
tennessee- sec title, bowl upgrade, beat rivals
kentucky- go bowling
south carolina- be in position to make it to atlanta
vanderbilt- don't get embarrassed

auburn- sec title
lsu- sec title
bama- beat auburn
mississippi- go bowling
miss state- go bowling
arkansas- keep petrino from leaving in october.

Posted by TommyJack on August 7, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99: Er, uh, you forgot one in the revenge is UNsweet dept.....GA over FL. Just trying to be helpful.

Posted by orangebloodgmc on August 7, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Our DL has been the weakest link but its looking better all the time

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

it will be over by september.....

georgia's dreams of being undefeated
tennessee's dream of making it back to atlanta
bama's dream that nick saban is the greatest coach of all time
florida's dream of not relying too heavily on tim tebow
south carolina's dream of finding a qb.

Posted by orangebloodgmc on August 7, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tebow better wear his brown pants to Neyland stadium.

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

things nobody should question

the auburn defense
the florida offense
alabama is not ready to contend for anything
georgia's schedule is brutal
the level of talent at lsu
fulmer's winning percentage in november

things people doubt for a reason

the florida defense
the tennessee front 7
the lsu qb
the south carolina qb
the auburn offense
raycom's ability to put together a decent broadcast

Posted by THE_VOL on August 7, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bolden should be nicknamed "The Joke" Arrived on campus as Mr. Everything Impact Player To Be and entering his senior year the ONLY thing he's achieved is a Masters Degree is running his mouth and proving his stupidity. STFU and DO SOMETHING ON A SATURDAY MORON!!!

Matter of fact this ENTIRE TEAM should do the same! All this August yappin' doesn't mean squat but idiot Kool-Aid drinkers keep lappin' it up! Talk to me on Sept 21 FOOLmers!!

Posted by tngeoff on August 7, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way...as with any rumor you have to take it with a grain of salt...but the rumor from some in gatorland was that it was Bolden who supposedly told the guy not to bother blocking him because he wasn't even going to try anymore.

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff

a florida walk on tight end said that about a tenn player on an extra point (in the 4th qtr). don't know which tenn player was accused of saying that.

it fueled the overall thought that some people had....which was that tennessee quit in the game. only the team (tennessee) knows whether they packed it in or not.

Posted by tngeoff on August 7, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator.

Yup. There was a case to made about the majority of the team dropping their packs during that game...but some players were more blatantly obvious about it than others and Bolden was one for sure. I can't imagine a player...even a backup player making that up out of the blue. Something happened and something was said. We'll probably never know since no Tennessee guy is going to say, "Yup...it was me!"

Posted by mparker on August 7, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

the 'tennessee drill' is one of the most fun practice events in football.

Posted by orangebloodgmc on August 7, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Note Bolden's comments in this Tennessean article:

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.d...

Posted by GoVol on August 7, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99 - no way FL goes undefeated as you predict. I know it is a dream, but it will soon turn into a nightmare if you keep believing. FL goes down in Neyland this year!

Posted by mparker on August 7, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator:
damn, man, you are a better poster than a lot of these 'vol fans', especially some of the newer breed.

what I've got to question with UF: do they have the d-line to win?? The other unknown for ANY SEC team: do they have 'character'??

Character is a eupemism for 'are they a bunch of ballplayers, or a bunch of thugs'. The UF team that won the NC had character. Last year's team not so much...

UT has lacked character; they MAY have it this year. We'll find out damn quick. all those guys know about the freshmen coming in next year, they have to feel pretty the hear a little.

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

govol

where did i say florida goes undefeated. in my opinion, i think they will lose to an unusual suspect.

south carolina, arkansas....someone like that. something no one expects. i am just not bold enough to make that prediction. but, i don't think florida is running the table.

Posted by VolFanInAtl on August 7, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just watched the vid: When I was in high school we called it "hamburger." You can lose your job by blowing assignments. You can win a job, as a lineman anyway, by busting somebody's head in hamburger.

Posted by auttat on August 7, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff, somebody posted that link yesterday on a different thread. Look how many dang pages Urban gets for his personal bio...are you kidding me?

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

mparker

regarding the florida d-line. they have plenty of bodies and plenty of guys will play. the question is whether any of them step up to an elite level and become an all-sec caliber player.... this year.

don't know.

again, this is why i think the 2009 team will be better. the defense will be all grown up.

Posted by VolFanInAtl on August 7, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"it was Bolden who supposedly told the guy not to bother blocking him because he wasn't even going to try anymore" - I hope Bolden hears this rumor

Posted by vol4gzus on August 7, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Vaul13 and nafsloff same ole same ole. Negative(vaul13) and racist(nafslov). Actually I'm starting to think vaul isn't a Vol fan after all since all is bad and the sky is falling is the mentality of his posts.

Nafslov actually might have a crush on Rogers with all this obsessive stuff on him. I mean it doesn't make since to post about Rogers in an article in which he isn't even mentioned(off topic ya know) at all. Sorry just trying to rationally figure out old naffy's point of origin in this mess.

Posted by BADGES0413 on August 7, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dang THE-VOL, do you drink Pomac and Vinegar when you wake up in the morning? I think I will stick to the Kool Aid. Must be a sad life for you since football is not relevant. Yet you continue to check out all the articles.

99 gator you make some vaild points, I agree with most of your points except your week 4 predictions. I will take UT, GA and LSU. I didn't realize in Week 5 when UT plays Auburn that both will be coming off tough games.

Posted by tngeoff on August 7, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

auttat.

My bad. But...yes I did see that!

Also, for perspective...it seems like Georgia and Florida fans are reaching a parallel universe. It used to be the dawg fans that were soooo annoying in their passion without foundation. Now...the gator (not 99gator) faithful have tried to supass them. Here is gator reality:

2002 - 8-5

2003 - 8-5

2004 - 7-5

2005 - 9-3

2006 - 13-1

2007 - 9-4

2006? Fantastic year. All the others? Who's kidding who? Now...what? They're invinsible again...just like they have claimed every year? We'll see.

Only ONE TIME did they come anywhere near the alleged invincibility. Otherwise...like the dawgs...its all so much fecal material.

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

badges0413

if i knew what i was talking about, i'd go to vegas and make some money. yeah, auburn and tennessee may both limping into their matchup.

who knows what's going to happen. people talk about the fans drinking kool aid.....the local media for each team drinks serious amounts of kool-aid. everything is a puff piece on the upcoming season. and every fan is sure their team is loaded and is going to do great things because of it.

will be interesting.

Posted by rbut5252 on August 7, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

please tell me the "D" will be able to make a stop on 3'rd and 18.

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff

i can explain where the gator faithful are coming from.....

2002-2004 does not count. there was this bad dream where ron zook was the head coach. so, most gator fans don't acknowledge any of that existed. although, people recognize that the 2004 game against florida state occurred.

now, come the urban meyer years.....

a lot of people are comparing meyer's 1st three years to spurrier 1st three years and they are very comparable. combine that with the recruiting classes he ahs brought in.....and obviously florida will become as dominant as they were under spurrier. especially since, the thorn in florida's side (florida state) is now a non factor.

that's where the thinking is. don't buy into all of it. however, i do believe 9-4 is going to be as bad as it gets for the forseable future (barring injury problems in a given season) which is pretty good considering the strength of the league.

Posted by GoVol on August 7, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99- sorry I did make an assumption since you had FL beating all of your top tier opponents. The only thing FL has going for them in the TN game this year is the start time of 3:30. If it was a 7:30 start FL should never come out of the locker room. Since it is a 3:30 start FL will be on the bus at half-time.

Posted by auttat on August 7, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No problem tngeoff. I find it hilarious.

Good post at 9:54 btw!

Posted by VolGraduate on August 7, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nasflvo: please please please quit posting comments on here. i accidentally read a few this morning now i have a migraine...your dad should've shot you over the headboard

Posted by miamiVOL on August 7, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

UF's starting TE C.Ingram just tore his ACL and his season is over, ouch.

Posted by tnbanker_govols on August 7, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Great article.....I'm looking forward to seeing our D against Florida...that will definitely be our first true test. But one thing in this article...."the offensive line only allowed four sacks last year." I'm sorry...I'm a true Vol at heart but that is the most misleading stat in college football history. The fact that our O'line only allowed four sacks last year had more to do with the fact we had a pansy QB that would throw it away EVERY TIME he felt pressure, not because our O'Line was so great because, frankly....it wasn't. If we have the best O'line in the SEC, they'll have to be better than they were last year. GO VOLS!!!

Posted by WorkinLikeHeck on August 7, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yawn...Demonte Soften keep talking but hasn't done anything. Wait a second, he finally gets it this year.

Posted by smokey90 on August 7, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Allen from Paris, TN is wavering on his commitment since LSU has extended an offer.

Posted by smokey90 on August 7, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Does anyone know how bad Nelson is hurt?

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

miamivol

haven't read where his condition was determined. please post where you found this.

that's why i will never, ever, ever, pick on a kid for going pro.

Posted by tngeoff on August 7, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

auttat.

Thanks! It is revealing to look at the truth by the numbers.

99gator.

I know what you're saying. You are great to have on here because you generally use good judgement and sound thought process in your posts and never taunt anyone. Keep on postin'.

Posted by Bass_Vol_1998 on August 7, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99- you are drinking the UF koolaid. I enjoy the TN brand so I can't blame you.

UF very losable games: Miami, UT, LSU, UGA, FSU... and the bowl game (iowa, mich, mich st)

slightly possible losses: South Carolina and Vanderbilt. both of these always play you guys very tough.

UF could have a great year- but they will definitely have to earn it or they could wind up with another zook kind of year.

Posted by Bass_Vol_1998 on August 7, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I never get mad at kids going pro. Isn't that why you go to college- to get a better job!

I don't understand why more kids don't get that insurance to protect them from injury. I saw on a "top 5 reasons you can't blame" Carson Palmer for staying one more year show that he had insurance not only for injury but also to protect if he fell too far in the draft.

Posted by sjt18 on August 7, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator, Intentionally trying to start a fight?

UT's goal isn't "upgrade" their bowl. UT's "GOAL" is to win the SEC... they are more than capable of doing it.

Glad you went on record with definitive predictions... I'll be sure to remind you later.

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18

truth be told, i thought most of y'all would call me chicken.

those predictions are pretty much what most everyone else is saying. did not go out on too much of a limb with any of those. they are also preseason picks.

i am free to change my mind the week of the actual games. injuries and other things can happen to change one's mind over the course of the season.

bass vol....

barring injuries.....miami and fsu are not loseable games. miami did not go to a bowl game last year and they play in the acc. don't think most of y'all quite fully realize just how in the toilet miami and fsu are as this moment in time.

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

also the post @ 8:55 as it think there is some confusion.....was not a predicted order of finish for the divisions.

Posted by sjt18 on August 7, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone said earlier that UF wouldn't go undefeated. They definitely could. I think their best chance of losing is in K'ville. Everything else lines up for them. The toughest games are at home. Some traditional powers on their schedule are down.

I'm just a good bit more optimistic about UT's chances in K'ville against UF than 99gator is... Early in the season should help UT for once since they are thin in places but more experienced than UF overall.

Posted by sjt18 on August 7, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator, Who here has said that UT's "goal" was a bowl upgrade?

Anything less than a return to Atlanta and a win there would be a disappointment as far as I'm concerned... Methinks you have joined the ranks of those who may be seriously underestimating the Vols.

Posted by GoshDarnGoodFootballPlayer on August 7, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99 -

Are expectations for Miami really that low? I really can't just help but believe they are going to give the Gators more of a game than you guys want. Don't think you guys will lose, but it might be closer than the experts think.

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

goshdarn

yes, things at miami and fsu are that bad.

i repeat miami did not go to a bowl game in 2007.

the "u" lost 48-0 in their final home game at their precious dump of a home field called the orange bowl to.....virginia. and that was in front of several alums of da "u" who came back because it was the last game in the orange bowl.

this is not smack talk here. miami and fsu have major, major problems. probation is about to hit fsu between the eyes.

miami did have an excellent recruiting class (most of them defensive players). but, freshman in gainesville in their first real road game. please.

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18

and where did i say tenn has no chance to beat florida or that i don't think tenn can beat florida. just cause i think one team will win the game doesn't mean the other team has no chance.

i don't give miami or fsu a chance. but, tennesse has an excellent chance. i just don't think it will happen. but, i have been wrong before and will be wrong again.....else i'd live in vegas.

Posted by auttat on August 7, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like the preacher man is the one trying to pick a fight 99gator

Posted by waterskier3 on August 7, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BOTTOM LINE it took bolden 2 chances to prove what he can do... that doesn't get it in games... he has to be the man on every play he is in the game can not take a play off......

my predictions

3rd and 15 our defense will play soft zone regardless of the talent we have in secondary

3rd and 2 for offense.... by the fla game we'll still try a pass instead of running the ball

can't wait till kickoff.....

Posted by GoshDarnGoodFootballPlayer on August 7, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

99 -

Interesting and all points taken. For some reason I had forgotten that 48-0 drubbing they received from UVA and I thought the game was in Miami.

Maybe it will be a blow out after all. Maybe there will be a brawl again and some guy the U will take out Tebow and Harvin. Just kiddin'...well, somewhat.

Posted by pdhuff on August 7, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Do not forget we have Phil and they don't. Our charts are up-to-date.

20-odd days....

Posted by sjt18 on August 7, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nope auttat. Not at all. These just don't sound as uncertain to me as 99gator seems to be suggesting:

"some predictions for the coming year."....

"it will be over by september.....
....tennessee's dream of making it back to atlanta"

"in the revenge is unsweet category

florida over tennessee"

Sounds like the kind of "in your face" type stuff that we usually see out of other Gator fans and Bama fans almost uniformly.

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18

way too sensitive.

if i am picking a game.....i have to pick one of the teams to win and one to lose.

i did not say anything was a lead pipe lock or certain.

there was no additional commentary with any of that.

you, on your own, took what i wrote and put your own thoughts into how certain i am about it.

Posted by Bass_Vol_1998 on August 7, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pd- you always crack on the charts (kind of funny...used to be). But do you think they helped? I can't remember when they did them, but I thought it was toward the second part of the season- when we started playing better.

Posted by orngejuice on August 7, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

miamivol-where did you hear ingram's acl was torn??

Posted by thesavageorange on August 7, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99, I think if UF walks out of Neyland a winner then UF will go through undefeated.However ,everybody better watch LSU.They are probably still the most talented defensive team in the conference.Sorry to hear about Ingram.Hope it isn't as serious as miamiVol said.

sjt18, have you seen this yet?

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.d...

The second story says Allen is having second thoughts.I heard he somewhat recanted, and said Vol fans shouldn't worry, but I haven't officially read that yet.I hate to hear about Faison, but it does open another spot for someone like Swearinger who is pretty close to pulling the trigger.

Posted by sjt18 on August 7, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bass_Vol, Of course charts don't help... that's why a significant % of most NFL staffs are hired to develop and keep them. You have to learn that anything CPF does in an effort to help improve his team is automatically a bad idea worthy of scorn and mockery...

Posted by sjt18 on August 7, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

savage, saw that on Allen. I think the clarification was on Rivals. Supposedly it said he's still recruiting Teague for UT.

Faison wasn't on scholarship though his absence might make the PT prospects look better for a DB recruit.

Posted by raynochonspeed on August 7, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator-

Thanks for your contributions.

It's always nice to get genuine opinions from fans of other teams without stooping to insults and 3rd-grade-level baiting. It always injects a dose of reality into some of the homerism that exists around here.

And as much as most of us Vol fans hate to admit, Florida will be an absolute beast this year. I wish we had some of the offensive weapons you guys possess.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on August 7, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

miamivol-

That's two days in a row you've broken some major news without even trying to confirm what you post or post a link. Are you just making stuff up or what?

I hope Chase Nelson didn't tear a ligament. They said he was on crutches yesterday and Fulmer said he'd be out for a while.

Posted by thesavageorange on August 7, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IBleedOrange444, I believe it was just a sprain.

Posted by tngeoff on August 7, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TurboFan 8:55 a.m.

Man. Sorry. I missed that post! Yup. He was the one according to a some gator folks.

Posted by AlWilson on August 7, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Are we ever going to get a final verdict on Warren? I think he could end up being one of the keys to our team this year if the SEC & NCAA would get their heads out of their rears.

Posted by jeremyinitalia on August 7, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some Bruin revelations....wow...

UCLA will vary its snap count this year (it always went on "one" in 2007). So hut... hut... hut--hut... HUT! And when they finally go, the ball will be better spread around under offensive coordinator Norm Chow.

Brian Dohn also gives UCLA's pecking order in the secondary: "First team: Michael Norris and Alterraun Verner are the cornerbacks, Aaron Ware and Rahim Moore are the safeties. Second team: Courtney Viney and Aaron Hester are the cornerbacks and Bret Lockett (suspended for first game) and Glenn Love are the safeties." By the way, that's true freshman Rahim Moore.

Gee, think we'll test them early?
Think Chief has some nice blitz packages for them?...oh, and Norm Chow has never played against TN defense

Posted by Madkels on August 7, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good link Huntingdonvol. I keep reading that this team has matured mentally and physically. I hope that bodes well for this season. As for the mental part / team closeness, our kids seem to have dropped off the radar when it comes to brushes with "johnny law". Let hope it stays that way!

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ingram is out for the season. i found a place that confirmed it.

feel bad for the kid. again, never criticize a kid who leaves early and goes pro.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on August 7, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jeremy-

I posted a pretty in-depth UCLA preview on youtube for the purposes of sharing it with y'all on here, but I haven't gotten around to posting the link yet. I can't go on youtube from work, but y'all can find it if you search youtube for "bruins preview" "2008". The video is a little shaky 'cause I used my camera to film my tv (ghetto), but the guy tears up UCLA says they will be horrible this year and shouldn't expect to do any better than 5-7.

Savage-

Were you refering to Chase Nelson or Corneleous Ingram? I think miamivol just likes to stir the pot. I don't think they've announced anything about CI's injury, but I'm way more concerned with Chase Nelson's. Thanks for the info.

Posted by sjt18 on August 7, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Too bad for Ingram. I hope he recovers well.

savage, what are you hearing about Darren Myles?

Posted by TurboFan on August 7, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TNGf, no prob. Often overlooked. Still, somebody has to have a video of that game and can review that play to see if anyone laid down. More likely someone in Florida has it than Tennessee (mass bon fire).

Naf, still want to know where you got your stats on Austin Rogers.

Posted by hcjournals on August 7, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gee, gosh, thanks 99 for your objective opinions..........Please.........Every opinion he has is tinged in the wrong orange. Wake up.

Objectively, it will be close. It can go either way. It does much of the time. We are a little behind in the recent past, but Florida blows up every year. This year will mean a little more, because we both have lofty expectations. We actually look better on paper. Should be a great game.

Posted by mdvolmom on August 7, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm very excited for the season to start. We up here in the land of pleasant living who have TN ties are ready for a good season. Now, will someone educate me in what the Tennessee Drill is.

Posted by tngeoff on August 7, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TurboFan.

Good point. It was Nationally telivised. Also, I'll check youtube. There does have to be a video that is easliy accesible. One thing I can guarantee...since I observed it and commented on it during the game...there was more than one d-line guy who "quit"!

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on August 7, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99-

I hate to hear that. You guys will still have plenty of weapons on offense and it sounds like the back up TE is no joke either. I didn't think it was going to be that serious b/c they said he walked off the practice field on his own and wasn't even limping. I've heard before that when you damage a knee ligament that it sometimes doesn't hurt as bad as just banging your knee cap so I guess you never can tell until the MRI results come back.

The only injuries I like to see are the ones that we inflict on our foes and are healed up by the time the team plays their next game.

Posted by tngeoff on August 7, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TurboFan.

Here's some clips. Not great...but many looks at poor defensive line play. Even in the first half. Near the end of the secnd half? Lights on...nobody home. Q U I T

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jid7c...

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ibleed

there are several ways it hurts florida. one, they lose the ability to go big. there are not many tight ends on the roster. if hernandez gets hurt, it would be rare if ever to see a tight end in the ball game. second, if i had to pick a player who i would want the ball to go to on 3rd and 5.....it would be ingram. i think he has the best hands on the team. third, he creates matchups problems with most everyone because he's a unique athlete. fourthly, as many weapons as florida has....they don't have another weapon like him. they have a bunch of speed demons....but, not a hybrid te/wr who can go over the middle. so you will see hernandez work the middle or wr's, but that's where ingram set up shop.

florida's offensive depth was discussed a few days ago....the places they don't have it or it's unproved is qb and te.

no one should be crying for florida, because they should still score a lot of points and weapons are still not a problem. but, this injury hurts.

Posted by sjt18 on August 7, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov, Can you maybe drop the code language and be a little more plain about where your proof is? A link would be very nice.

Posted by orngejuice on August 7, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator-where did you get ingram info??

Posted by xvolx on August 7, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator. noticed that you predict fla. to win every game, but with a possible nc. why would you say possible nc if fla. is going to win every game. old ball coach will be lurking at you.

Posted by pdhuff on August 7, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good read at ESPN.com - What Hot & Not

Also, Rank 'Em : SEC Coaches, if you haven't seen it.

Posted by 99gator on August 7, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

orngejuice

got the info from a gator site. urban has not made an official announcement and the school has not released anything yet.

Posted by iwastherein98 on August 7, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well this blows. Not a good post for UT football and is linked to on SI.com

http://tinyurl.com/5a4v7d

Posted by orngejuice on August 7, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i've been texting a friend of mine (gator fan) and i mentioned what you said. he's still in disbelief. thanks though. glad to c ur posting again. i gave you a hard time originally. my bad. ur insight seems reasonable and logical. i wish i could say the same for mcdumbfu C K and dcdou che bag

Posted by VolFanInAtl on August 7, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"your dad should've shot you over the headboard:" - that's just funny

Posted by sjt18 on August 7, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was wondering why you were so unhappy you had to come here...

Posted by orngejuice on August 7, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

does ur wife know u "work out" to timmy teblow's mugshot?

Posted by orngejuice on August 7, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

by bigger, i assuming you mean her level of enthusiasm?

Posted by iwastherein98 on August 7, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You got the wrong guy Mcminimumwage. I never said anything about coverage.

Posted by VolGraduate on August 7, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iwasthere:

mcrimjob is delusional...he's not married either...not until they change the laws anyway

Posted by tngeoff on August 7, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Y E S!!! Season tickets just delivered! Let the games begin! My wife and I will be in Los Angeles for the big UCLA game too!

Posted by iwastherein98 on August 7, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When he said I reminded him of his wife I assumed he meant the chest hair.

Posted by VolGraduate on August 7, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How mcrimjob and his "wife" (aka man friend) met at the tailgate:

micrim: hi my name is mcrim i like those jorts you are wearing.

micrim's "wife": thanks my name is jon. your jorts are awesome too. but your tank top is even better. where did you get that gold chain? (etc...)

the rest is history

Posted by TommyJack on August 7, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Naffy: Thanks for the warning. Now everone on row 62 is scrambling to sell their tix.

Posted by orngejuice on August 7, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

for real tom-how many "wasted jersey," will there be??

Posted by VolGraduate on August 7, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

INTERNET POLL

who would you least like to sit by at a UT game nafslov, workin or mcrimjob?

Posted by tngeoff on August 7, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov.

My Sister-in-Law is a season ticket holder there. Her, her husband and two kids have four season tickets. Do you want me to check with her? She got my wife and my tickets for us so I haven't seen where we're sitting yet at UCLA. I just got my Tennessee tickets today though and that is reeeeeeal good!

Posted by Bass_Vol_1998 on August 7, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

volgrad- actually I think nafslov would be the best bet to not get arrested

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on August 7, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Volgrad-

Workin for sure. That's easy.

Posted by iwastherein98 on August 7, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would least like to sit next to workin. McMinimumwage at least roots for the team he supposedly supports. Nafslov's going to the UCLA game so he can't be all bad.

Workin would whine the whole game even if we were winning 50-0.

Example:
"That guard didn't pull quick enough and we only gained 12 yards when it could have been 13. BOOOO HOOO"

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on August 7, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bad news guys. people outside of Knoxville don't think Phillip hung the moon.

ESPN Rank 'Em: SEC Coaches

1 Urban Meyer (11,227) 421,355
2 Steve Spurrier (8,183) 398,467
3 Mark Richt (5,720) 381,478
4 Les Miles (7,350) 371,654
5 Nick Saban (4,273) 344,946
6 Tommy Tuberville (2,771) 336,068
7 Phillip Fulmer (2,215) 295,290
8 Bobby Petrino (879) 209,474
9 Houston Nutt (260) 192,235
10 Sylvester Croom (454) 177,340
11 Rich Brooks (782) 164,613
12 Bobby Johnson (268) 125,799

Posted by iwastherein98 on August 7, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nevermind. Perhaps Nafslov is all bad.

Posted by iwastherein98 on August 7, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm pretty sure I would actually least like to sit by Notsoslim. The stench of cabbage would be unbearable

Posted by VolGraduate on August 7, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i would kill myself if i had to sit by any of them...literally

Posted by VolGraduate on August 7, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i dont eat pigs feet, drink jungle juice or talk bad about peyton manning so i don't think i'll make it...thanks though

Posted by sjt18 on August 7, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Still waiting on that link nafslov... You weren't lying were you?

Posted by iwastherein98 on August 7, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would be glad to. Come join me on Fiji Island for a tailgate. You make fun of UT football and maybe one of the nice students will punch you in the mouth.

Posted by sjt18 on August 7, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pleasegetridof...

Line those guys up and ask women who never watch football to rank them... and you'd probably get something similar. Never confuse popularity with talent or success.

A significant number of women in the 92 election said the fact that they considered Bill Clinton good looking was a factor in their vote for him... Never underestimate how shallow people can be.

Posted by sjt18 on August 7, 2008 at 4:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW, other than Crooms being too low and Miles being way too high... I don't have a huge problem with that list. Fulmer is probably somewhere between 4-8.

Posted by General_Watermelon on August 7, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator - the fact that FSU and Miami are on the ropes is why Florida is doing so well recruiting. The state of Florida has loads of talent and you have your pick of the creme without going out of state.

Posted by VolGraduate on August 7, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt,
i cant find any records on drops. i tried to find some earlier but gave up. let me know if you find some...would like to know

Posted by General_Watermelon on August 7, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mcbrim - Does Florida AD make you buy two seats for your wife?

Posted by sjt18 on August 7, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So is that finally an admission that you are lying nafslov?

Posted by TurboFan on August 7, 2008 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TNGf, thanks for the youtube link. Unfortunately, did not have what we were looking for. It did have the Willingham helmut slam though (5:05 mark).

Naf, still waiting. Looked for utvols.com...nothing. Looked at utsports.com...nothing.

Posted by Bass_Vol_1998 on August 7, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General- good point about Florida recruiting... or is it possible that the good UF recruiting led to the suckiness of FSU and the U. I think that not enough weight is put on the need for a big time qb. FSU fell apart after weinke and miami after dorsey.

I asked some guys "why in the world is brock berlin starting?" they hung their head and said- he's the best we have.

Posted by Bass_Vol_1998 on August 7, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

some exceptions exist such as Mcfadden, Larry fitzgerald, randy moss. A premier athlete can make huge difference.

Posted by VolFanInAtl on August 7, 2008 at 5:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dang, butts are gettin' whooped down at the U:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_y...

Posted by General_Watermelon on August 7, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hate to say it but if the defense was not ahead of the offense at this time of year, it would spell trouble for the defense.

Posted by pdhuff on August 7, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bass Vol 12:16 - some think the reason we get better later is that the opposition drops off a ton. At one time we won a gazillion games in a row in November.

Just a thought.

Gen W, FSU may be floundering because there family is getting a little long in the tooth. Hadn't had an original idea there since Wonderkin Richt moved North.

Miami just doesn't have their usual quota of thugs. They're looking, though.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on August 7, 2008 at 7:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

G.W.-

It was just the Tennessee Drill.

Posted by IBleedOrange444 on August 7, 2008 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is totally unrelated, but I saw on College Football Live the other day that the owner of the Bristol Motor Speedway has offered Va Tech and UT $20 Million each to play a game there. I know that he has tried to no avail to make this happen before, but I sure would love it if we could make that a reality. What a great match up that would be!

KNS-

PLEASE push this issue! Write a story about it and see how the boards light up with fans who want to see this happen. Maybe Mike H & Co will accept the challenge. I know I'll be there for sure!

Posted by invisiblekid on August 7, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'll be more proud of them if they hold the Gators under 200 yards rushing. As far as Bolden goes, I've said my piece on him more than a few times. I do wish they would find another spokesman for the defense though. I really respect what Williams has done in working his way into being a valuable player on the team and actually am interested in what he has to say.

Posted by TurboFan on August 7, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay, see, Naf is not a racist, he's just a bigot. j/k Nafy.

Still waiting for that link, though, Naf.

Posted by britt on August 7, 2008 at 9:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ibleed BMS is only about 20 mins from my house I gladly drive the 90 min to Knoxville but would love to see us play there with about 160k attending

Posted by pdhuff on August 8, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Free TDTN and while you're at it, GerryOp.

Posted by tngeoff on August 8, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff.

Huh? Is GerryOP B A N N E D???????

Posted by TommyJack on August 8, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No way GerryOP got the death penalty. Really?

Posted by tngeoff on August 8, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just went back to a couple of older stories and GerryOP is still there. If he were banned his name would be gone everywhere. He must be on a well deserved vacation. Probably golfing at one the beautiful courses in his neck of the woods...although we are approaching the dreaded black fly season (their bites are worse that a bee sting and they swarm ya') up thata' way. Skinny dipping is absolutely forbidden unless you want your junk bug bitten and bleeding. Ugggh.

Posted by tngeoff on August 8, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Still...the battle cry of "Free TDTN!" needs to ring loud and clear for all to hear!

Posted by TommyJack on August 8, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Naffy: Do NOT link my name with yours in any form.

Posted by VolGraduate on August 8, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

so tj is tdtn? i thought workin was tdtn...

Posted by pdhuff on August 8, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, you are ju